Talk:Dave Elman

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In many cases the audio tapes of the Dave Elman courses in Medical Hypnosis are incomplete, which is to say they are excerpts from the course work. However, the majority of copies sold by him during his lifetime were a complete 12 part set covering all the lecture material available to the doctors taking his course,  with the exception of the detailed student discussions which followed each lecture. Of course, the omitted discussions varied from class to class and depended to a large extent on the medical specialties of the students in that particular class.

NOTE: I am Dave Elman's surviving son and am certain of everything stated in the preceding paragraph. I can be contacted at DaveElmanHypnosis@gmail.com or via our WebPage, which is www.DaveElmanHypnosisInstitute   This comment was originally posted in September 2007 and edited to add signature in 2013 when lack of signature was brought to my attention. The tracing and autosigning material is left here because I am unsure which portions are un-needed or will be superceded. 63.215.29.147 (talk) 05:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)   H. Larry Elman69.116.8.52 (talk) 13:48, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Notability
At the August 2009 National Guild of Hypnotists convention in Marlborough, MA the host introducing of H. Larry Elman's session (in which Larry discussed his father and his work) described Dave Elman as one of the two (along with Milton Erickson) most important influences on hypnosis in the 20th century. There was no word of dissent in the room, which included quite a few people who have been NGH certified hypnotists for more than a decade.

This is probably "original research," since it was my personal observation from being in the room, so it's not appropriate for the main Dave Elman Wikipedia page, but I've put it here on the talk page to help establish that Dave Elman is a very notable person in the field of hypnosis. Sbabb (talk) 06:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

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Elman's notability in the field of hypnosis being in question cannot be serious. He more than deserves his own, separate, full article, as he developed the field to the point of creating a specific hypnotic style. As an example, any hypnosis course absolutely has to teach the famous Elman induction as it is one of the three most basic induction techniques in hypnosis. ~Cabeludorafael —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.86.218.25 (talk) 20:04, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

--- With reference to why such sites as http://youcanhypnotize.com should be included as a reference point for people looking into the Elman Induction technique I'd like to quote from Larry Elman's own words above " As an example, any hypnosis course absolutely has to teach the famous Elman induction as it is one of the three most basic induction techniques in hypnosis" To me this clearly states that indeed any and ALL courses in hypnotherapy MUST include the Elman Induction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikispinwriter (talk • contribs) 13:54, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Objection to anti-semitic errors in primary page
I am Dave Elman's son, the same person who spoke at the NGH Convention in August 2009. I find many errors in the primary page on my father, but the ones I feel most strongly about involve the shortening of the family name. Each place this is mentioned, my father's religion is mentioned in a manner that is demeaning to him and to all other persons who have taken stage names for whatever reason. Dad did NOT change his name to hide the fact that we are Jews. To the contrary, my family is proud of our origins and Dad retained the family name Kopelman until the mid-1930's.  As evidence of this,  there are my parent's wedding invitations and license,  and the birth certificates of my two older brothers.

Dad began in vaudeville about 1915 or 1916, billed as Dave Kopelman. In those days, the acts with top billing were given  larger fonts on the theater marquees,  which often led to the name being shortened for lack of room. The first three letters of Kopelman were dropped for that reason when Dad reached top billing. As Dad had become widely known in show business, he went by Dave Elman to be consistent with the billing used,  but he retained Kopelman as the family name. Only after the presence of both a stage name and a family name caused a school principal to insinuate to my mother that something was wrong with our family did my MOTHER insist that Dad have the name changed to ELMAN. (The principal was examining my brothers' birth certificates, but knew of Dad as Dave Elman.  She insinuated some rather insulting things and my Mother became rather angry.)  This occurred in about 1935.

Our family has not hid our Jewish background. The wording on this subject in the Wikipedia article is severely insulting. I would have placed this on the primary page, but I have seen many immature and incorrect "editings" done on Wikipedia -- some directly affecting me and my family. I also note your cautionary comment about a contributor possibly having a conflict of interest. I presume you were referring to my previous efforts to correct errors here (and on other Wikipedia pages). Anyone wishing to argue this may contact me directly. I would hope Wikipedia would have the decency to address the issues I have discussed here. I will EXPECT your office to contact me on these problems.

2013 addition: Wickipedia removed the offending text (date unknown) and the commentary above can be retained (if of interest) or removed (if extraneous) -- decision left to the editor. Thank you for handling this problem.15:04, 20 August 2013 (UTC)69.116.8.52 (talk)

H Larry Elman, COLONEL,  USAF Ret'd MIT Class of 1960        lbaldeagle@aol.com        And do not forget -- these are not your only errors! I am listed in several volumes of Who's Who in the East and an easily identified by writings both by me and about me. Submitted in 2009 or 2010 -- examined and resubmitted in 2013, adding additional contact information and signing it. www.DaveElmanHypnosisInstitute.com (web page)   DaveElmanHypnosis@gmail.com  primary e-mail      additional email ColLarryElman@gmail.com  Colonel H Larry Elman,  USAF Ret'd  69.116.8.52 (talk) 13:56, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Source Citation for hypnosis claims in primary page
I am unfamiliar with your method of indicating sources of statements, and although I own several copies of the relevant book,  I do not at this time have access to the correct page numbers. However, in your Bibliography you cite HYPNOTHERAPY (Westwood Publishing) and what follows is contained in both that book and in the recordings of Elman's classes currently for sale on Westwood's web site. The recodings include supporting testimony from the physicians involved. 1.) Times for induction all the way to Somnambulism in under 3 minutes were initially required of all students.  This was later changed to under one minute.  Virtually all the physician students achieved these times which would still be considered excellent today.  2.) Heart surgery without anesthetic:  The anesthesiologist and the surgeon both agreed that the patient was too ill for normal anesthesia. Both phsicians were Elman's students. The two of them approached Elman who was surprised by the plan, but agreed to assist. The patient made a successful recovery. Incident described in further detail in both the book and the recordings.

75.200.93.149 (talk) 05:26, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Remove cleanup templates?
Three templates have been above the content of the article for at least a year. Although the article still needs some work, I think it stands on its own well enough to no longer need these notices. Does anyone disagree? B7T (talk) 20:04, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Yup, I disagree. Though I am not in a position to dispute any of the facts, I feel that the article as it stands reads more like a sales blurb for a course in Elman hypnosis methodology. (Oh, and I got on to the article because some spam got into my email inbox, pushing an Elman hypnosis methodology course!) Accepting that the facts are true, I think that a wikipedia article should be less eulogistic in tone and, ideally, should have more references to objective sources. gramorak 17:57, 29 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gramorak (talk • contribs)

There are literally hundreds of hypnosis schools worldwide which send spam claiming to teach courses on Dave Elman's methods. The Dave Elman Hypnosis Institute does NOT broadcast emails unsolicited, but uses our website,  referrals,  inquiries,  etc. instead. I am sorry "Yup, I disagree" was disturbed by their spam. There are numerous "objective sources" in the article, and I suggest the person submitting this comment check out those other sites -- if one gives the bio of a major figure,  citing his documented accomplishments,  why is that "eulogistic"? H Larry Elman (Dave Elman's son)69.116.8.52 (talk) 15:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

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