Talk:Dave Grohl/Archive 1

He
This page calls him 'Growl' (Growl did this, Growl did that) all the time and sounds a bit ridiculous. How about 'he' occasionallly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.172.14 (talk) 00:52, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean "Grohl"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.110.52 (talk) 16:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

The image
I believe I have a better image than the current one of Dave Grohl. Let me change it haha —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johndude1321 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * A distant picture of Grohl in a group of five isn't better than a solo closeup photo. -- ChrisB (talk) 22:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Why did you change the picture I put up? Not only is my picture more recent, but it was a better picture! Stop monopolizing this please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deville75 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

This picture is 10x better, thanks. 131.125.114.132 (talk) 04:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it isn't, and that's the problem. It's not clearly better - it's arguably better.  And being "newer" doesn't automatically make the picture "better".


 * For starters, there wasn't a need for a new picture. This one meets all of the guidelines and has been fully vetted.


 * I reverted it for the exact reason I specified: if there's no clear need for a new picture (eg, the absence of a free image), any suggestion of a new picture should be discussed. That's particularly true if the person who took the photograph is the one trying to add it to the article.  Flat out, WP:NPOV strongly suggests that personal biases (eg, the photographer's personal opinion about his/her own work) should preclude someone from personally injecting their work into an article where it might be contested.  This is specifically such a case.  It's the same reason that people with Wikipedia articles are discouraged from editing their own articles.


 * BTW - the guidelines are very clear - any contested edit should be discussed. I'm contesting this edit - it needs to be discussed.  (And it shouldn't be re-reverted until a consensus can be reached.)


 * My subjective opinion:


 * The Dingwalls picture is clear - completely in focus. It's also a closer and tighter shot, which is ideal for the size of the picture in the infobox.  Grohl is clearly identifiable from this photograph.


 * The Toronto picture is not clear - it's blurry because of the distance of the shot. It's also poorly cropped - too much image at the top and cropped wide to capture his arm.  Because of the width of the crop, his face takes up a much smaller space in the final, which is not ideal.  His face is small and difficult to identify (in comparison).


 * For an infobox picture, the Dingwalls picture is a much better choice - Grohl is much more clearly identifiable in the shot.


 * I wouldn't personally have any objection to including the Toronto photograph elsewhere in the article, save that we already have another shot towards the end of the article serving that purpose. But I'd like to hear what other people have to say. -- ChrisB (talk) 04:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

....and some asshole changed it back. 131.125.114.132 (talk) 04:30, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I dont think calling someone an "asshole" is going to get you anywhere. I havnt seen the torronto photo, but i feel that my photo, as Chris stated, is clear, close and indentifiable. Dont just change a photo because you want a photo on wikipedia or a bias towards your own image. --King Sarah

Gave Drohl
Who or what is Gave Drohl? I see this name around some places, mostly on guitar tab sites. Is it a joke, or a way around copyright, or an Al Yankovic type thing?86.145.6.197 21:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

If Dave Grohl = "a musician", Einstein = a patent office clerk ?
I noticed that my previous edit of Dave Grohl as a songwriter was removed. After all those Foo Fighters recordings with top hits that he has written, he is still then just a "rock musician". Please delete that and call him just "a drummer of Nirvana". Could you also please look, for example from wikipedia, what "songwriter" stands for. Wikipedia main pages mention that wikipedia wishes for more experts of related areas to write and edit articles. As I have been a professional musician for 20 years, as well as studied music full time for years, I hope that people wishing to delete the "songwriter" entry, to: And then remove my edit if you really want to. I can not see the benefit in belittling Dave Grohls versatile talent.
 * 1) read what songwriter means
 * 2) think for 30 seconds whether that really does not apply to Dave Grohl.

Geminga 07:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC) I think it is somewhat pompous to assume that just because he doesn't right the most classical and beautiful music, that he is not songwriter. However, that being said, I still think that there is no problemhere. - If you look and read carefully, youll findit says "American rock musician songwriter. This is to mention that he is both a rock musician and rock songwriter, both of which are appropiate for Dave Grohl.

88.112.191.142 07:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)70.20.220.60 00:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it does mention that now, since I added the songwriter. It didn't before. If you think carefully, you might note that a wikipedia-page is editable and thus everchanging.

Geminga 07:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Grohl is a musician. He plays instruments, writes and makes music which, thus, makes him a musician. If one were write down all that he does in the lead section it would take up too much room. Ergo, for simplicities sake, "musician", being a generic term, should stay. Scar ian  Talk  11:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

He is a musician and songwriter. 131.125.115.15 (talk) 00:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think Scarian's point was that a songwriter is a musician, and musician thus covers all his dealings with music. 193.44.6.146 (talk) 15:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Religion and ethnic backgroung
Where does the name Grohl come from (European?) is he Jewish?

Can anyone expand on the ethnic and religious background of Dave Grohl?

His family is German/Italian Roman Catholics. He is not Jewish.
 * Sorta related; I have read that he was almost christened Hans, as a result he had the nickname 'Hans Grohlo' for a while.--MartinUK 00:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

"Mission Imposible" is that a typo or the actual name of the band? - RoyBoy [ &#8734; ] 02:56, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * That was the name of the band. They used to play the theme song too. 24.23.151.72 02:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if someone wants to reference this article somehow http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=98928

The page lacks a normal format discography, for an example check the Trent Reznor page. Since Grohl has been in and performed for many bands, he really should have a full discography. For instance, one naming exactly what tracks he drummed for on the NIN album "With teeth" - TheFearedMachina 15:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

this page cannot go on without more on Grohl's drumming. Cobaine compared him to Bonham and Erlewine dubbed him "most powerful drummer in the universe" after songs for the deaf. i'll play around with it tomorrow night. every drummer I know thinks the world of him. Binkymagnus 04:04, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)

Regarding the link referring to the true origin of "Mountain View". The link doesn't work (forum has been moved to a completely different server-side program). Does anyone feel like trying to find another souce? --Catchwa 12:20, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Just a minor question - in the article Dave is referenced as being in the video for EoDM's "Want You So Hard" - didn't he actually also sing on of the "Just leave him alone 'cos the boy's bad news" lines as well? I'm pretty sure he did, but not 100% so don't want to just throw it on like that :) --JebJoya 18:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

no he just mimed over jesse.

ALSO Grohl was drummer in the Washington DC group Harlingtox A.D. during the summer of 1990, right before the final Scream tour, and prior to joining Nirvana. Harlingtox AD's sole CD is (or was) available from Laundry Room Records. Oh, the "Mission Imposible" comment above--it is Mission ImposSible, with two s's.


 * Harlingtox wasn't a band. (The liner notes for the release specifically say that.) It was just a studio side-project.  The EP wasn't even released until 1996. -- ChrisB 03:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The Who as an influence?
To what extent The Who influenced Dave's drumming is unknown. I doubt they influenced him too much as both he and Taylor have said he isn't a very big fan of The Who.

And this article mentions none of his punk and hardcore influences. And no mention of his time with Scream.

http://www.fooarchive.com/gpb/rebeljuke.htm--128.59.143.41 14:51, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Annandale or TJ?
Which school did Dave Grohl go to Annandale High School or Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology? Jobe6 July 3, 2005 20:47 (UTC)

to add to this http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2005/04/23/DI2005042300673.html after crt-f ing daves management said he went to TJ Jobe6

It wasn't a Science and Tech school (just normal TJHS) before 1985 or so. So the argument is, AnnandaleHS or TJHS? What about Bishop Ireton? Chronicidal

He went to Bishop Ireton for two years.

THe information on Bishop Ireton is incorrect. He was here his first two years -- not his Junior year. We were classmates here and in a few classes together (and I used to drive him home after school). THere are yearbooks to prove it.

Also, TJ was not sci-tech when he went there. From what I heard, he may have never officially graduated from high school.

Also, by the way, he was in a band name Dain Bramage prior to Mission Impossible.

Also, he took drum lessons from the drummer for the Late Night show with David Letterman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.160.108.190 (talk) 19:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's probably both. Annandale High School students in those years were given the choice to go to TJ.  Because TJ was merging it's students into Annandale and becoming a "magnet" school for science and technology.  Don't know for certain - but he probably elected to go to TJ.  Which is strange - because I don't remember him personally - and the hardcore punk scene was pretty small.  I do, however, remember going to several parties where Mission Impossible played. 24.23.151.72 01:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

who did he last see
He dropped out of TJ and then transferred to AHS. His mother taught at AHS. (I go to AHS)

My changes
Someone put a stub randomly in the middle of the article about Grohl's involvement with Queens of the Stone Age. I thought that there was no information on this article about Grohl's other activities so I spent an hour writing one up. When I later saw that this was all under the "Foo Fighter" heading, I erased what I wrote and put it under another heading. I also created a scraem heading and rearranged some other info on the page Flyerhell 20:03, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

VH1 or MTV?
Anyone saw the series where bands competed and The Foo Fighters were one of the bands and I think they won. Can't remember if it aired in MTV or VH1. I think VH1.
 * I don't believe there's ever been anything like that involving the Foo Fighters. VH-1 once had a show called Bands on the Run, but the Foos weren't involved, and the winner was a band called Flickerstick. -- ChrisB 21:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Photo
that new photo is nice, but blurry. its annoying! someone must have a pic they took of dave thats better quality?

There's got to be a better picture of Grohl out there. I think another photo needs to be inserted, one that's modern and clearly shows his face. This problem is the same with Chris Shiflett's article, and Taylor Hawkins's. PJB 14:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Good photo PJB 18:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

German American?
Isn't Grohl a German-American? Shouldn't 'German-Americans' be added to his category section?

PJB 16:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC) (Talkin' to me?)


 * Added it. PJB 16:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC) (Talkin' to me?)


 * Is there a source for this, other than that his last name is Grohl?

Someone up above said Dave is German and Italian. His last name being obviously German. 131.125.115.15 (talk) 01:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

HIV denialism
I don't know whether he still does, but at one time Grohl and the rest of the Foo Fighters spoke out in favour of AIDS reappraisal; for instance, see here. Anybody got any reason why this shouldn't be mentioned on the page? --Robert Merkel 18:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep. It was a cause that Nate Mendel was in support of (the band was supporting him), and it's already discussed in the Foo Fighters article. -- ChrisB 23:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I heard about taht too, infact, only just last week. Think Category: AIDS dissidents would fit? IronCrow (talk) 02:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that would be a bad idea. AFAIK, Foo Fighter members are no longer active in this area, and it would be a potential violation of WP:BLP to imply any of them are. IronDuke  02:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Dave Grohl on new Pete Yorn album
Maybe it should be noted (maybe under "Other Projects?")that Grohl played drums on the track "For Us" off Pete Yorn's new album, Nightcrawler. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:ny3ibkd9fakq

Nirvana?
Is it actually true that Dave made the negative comments about Nirvana? I mean, I have read where he has said he is more proud of the Foos, but I've never seen that quote. It doesn't sound like something he would say about his band, there's no citation and I can't find the quote using google.


 * No. He's stated that he's very proud of what the Foo Fighters have achieved, possibly even more so than Nirvana, but he's never said anything negative about Nirvana. Skittlesjc 09:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Its Dave Grohl, do you expect the guy to ever say anything negative about anything? 131.125.115.15 (talk) 01:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
Why don't we add a trivia section. For example Mr Grohl was in an episode of X-Files as an extra.


 * I think he is also the only person to every be in 3 consecutive #1 videos on MTV2 - in Foo Fighters, Queens of the Stone Age and the Nirvana post lawsuit single release.


 * During a Howard Stern appearance (the one where he played Everlong acoustically) he said that he got a perfect score on his SATs, but I can't find any confirmation of that fact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.107.89.138 (talk) 08:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC).


 * He was almost certainly kidding. At the time that Grohl would have taken the SAT (if he ever did - and he probably didn't), the scoring on the SAT was different.  Back then, you actually had to answer every question correctly to get a perfect score.  Getting a perfect score was incredibly rare, and usually garnered a good bit of media attention.  (I can't remember the exact stat, but I think only one or two people in the country got a perfect score each year.)


 * Wrong. Everyone who tied for the top score got a "perfect" score... 800 out of 800 on Math or Verbal.  Didn't matter how many mistakes, if you tied for best, you got a perfect score.  "Only one or two people in the country" ? I think not.  BTW, "I can't remember..." is a very weak argument.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.65.9 (talk) 04:20, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * And just since this section was updated: Trivia section = bad. See WP:TRIV. -- ChrisB 18:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

One good bit of trivia, one year of the Australian Triple J's Hottest 100, he was involved in 10 tracks, through Foo Fighters, Nirvana and Queens of the Stone Age.

The above (unsigned) fact leads me to believe that Grohl actually found himself on the charts with three different bands at the same time, or at least within the same year. Which makes me wonder if he's the only one to ever do that. Othernash 17:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Democrat
Dave's made a lot of pro-Kerry and anti-Bush comments in his interviews, plus the Foo FIghters performed on John Kerry's campaign tour. Should it also be mentioned here?

BTW, why is the main picture different? I liked the one before it. Skittlesjc 00:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Picture
I absolutely understand the concept of free being better than non-free. But we certainly get to make allowances for suitability. If I draw a sketch of Grohl and make it public domain, it's a free picture of Grohl. But that doesn't mean it's automatically suitable as a way to identify him.

Grohl's face is almost completely obscured by the microphone in the Commons picture - it's not suitable as a way to identify him. He almost resembles fellow Foo guitarist Chris Shiflett in that picture. If we can find a free pictures that CLEARLY identifies him, then I have no issue. But I don't think this particular photo serves the need.

Specifically, I'm contesting the Commons picture by WP:FU 1: "would adequately give the same information". The Commons picture doesn't fit that. -- ChrisB 19:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to call your bluff here. By all means, upload a sketch. That would be perfectly appropriate. What's not appropriate is using a non-free image of a musician who is still alive, and obviously not camera-shy... still recording, still touring. There is no rationale for using copyrighted poster art. If you don't like the current image of him, the ball is in your court to find a better one, without violating copyright. — CharlotteWebb 10:51, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

theoretically speaking, if i were to donate a photo i took that was clearer, closer and better quality, would that be accepted? what proof would be needed to show it was one i took at a gig? --king sarah 19:24, 16 jan 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, definitely! All you need to do is upload it and add a free license template, such as  .  See WP:ICT for more details and choices, including public domain.  People do tend to use those licenses falsely, so any additional information you could add to the upload would definitely be useful, such as information about where and when it was taken.  It's optional, though.  -- ChrisB 04:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Can someone upload a picture of Dave during Nirvana, or even earlier? Thanks Andy
 * Is it possible? Weenie beenie 20:54, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, so i went to the secret gig at dingwalls last week and was at the front. i got a pretty clear, nice photo of grohl that i think would work. i have added it to the page. could someone check it's all ok? i put the licence on and the details about it.

king sarah 11:43, 13 jul 2007 (UTC)

"Associated artists"
What constitutes them a mention in Grohl's infobox? A lot of people have added bands like "Tenacious D" and "Juliette and the Licks" only to have removed. I myself added his Late! project in there. I think Late! would be worth more than his mere moonlighting flits as drummer. I personally think Late! is more worthy than QOTSA, because Grohl only drummed on that album, whereas with Late! he wrote all the songs, played all the instruments etc. I know QOTSA are bigger than Late! but I think at least it deserves to be put in there. User:Speedboy Salesman My talk page, July 29, 2024''' (UTC).


 * Honestly, this discussion is long overdue, given how many acts Grohl has been involved in. We really need to determine some kind of consensus as to what should and shouldn't be included.  (I'm going to skip the Late! discussion for the start of this.)


 * The problem is that Grohl has been involved with so many acts that it would seem ridiculous to include all of them. The line of reasoning to this point seems to have been that we're including acts with which Grohl has had significant and active involvement.  My argument:


 * Acts where Grohl's sole involvement was as a guest drummer or guitarist. I feel these should not be included.  This includes: Nine Inch Nails, Killing Joke, Juliette and the Licks, Cat Power, Garbage, Tony Iommi, and David Bowie.  In each of those cases, Grohl was not an actual member of the band.  He played drums on their record, and that was it.


 * The next set is dicier, so, one at a time:


 * 1. Mike Watt. Grohl played on his record and toured for a couple of months.  I think should Watt should not be included. Grohl only played on one song on the record and only toured for the duration of the leg that involved the Foo Fighters.  (He also took turns with Goldsmith during Watt's set - Grohl only drummed on a few songs.)


 * 2. Tenacious D. I think the D should not be included.  Grohl is not a member of Tenacious D.  As everybody knows, the D only has two members: Kyle and Jack.  While Grohl drummed on parts of their records and has made cameo appearances in a couple of videos and in the movie, he has never toured with them as a drummer and, again, he is not a member of the band.  This one is probably the most "controversial", per se, and I'd love to get more people's perspectives.  I wouldn't have a problem keeping it in, but I'd like to see a few arguments for its inclusion.


 * 3. Queens of the Stone Age. I think QOTSA should be included.  Grohl played on the entire album and was their drummer for several months, including touring.  This one more or less spells how who I think should be included: QOTSA were Grohl's main focus for a non-trivial period of time.


 * Then come the obvious includes: Foo Fighters, Nirvana, Scream, Probot.


 * Lastly, the bands that should be excluded because they aren't notable enough to have articles: Mission Impossible, Dain Bramage. I'd throw Backbeat in this category as well (notwithstanding that they weren't really a band).


 * Late! is sort of its own issue, so here was my original reasoning as to not including it in the infobox: Late! was never an act. It was never a band.  Grohl wanted to release those demos, but didn't want to put his name on them, so he released them under a pseudonym.  Late! was just a name, nothing more.  I would also include Late! under that last section: it wasn't notable enough on its own to have an article.  The demo is notable, Late! is not.


 * Okay, floor's open. (BTW, if everyone's okay with it, please don't push a response inside of my post, just so the discussion doesn't become unwieldly.) -- ChrisB 22:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You're way overthinking it. "Associated" means just that. Not "Band Member", not "toured with".  Look at all the time you wasted.

Well Late! is still alive, with Grohl playing both "Marigold" and "Friend Of A Friend" (from the Pocketwatch demo, both originally) Well you COULD argue that Probot was "never a band" it was basically Dave Grohl and a bunch of metal singers. Lemmy and the like. User:Speedboy Salesman My talk page, July 29, 2024''' (UTC).
 * Probot live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zCvM_cLteY


 * And I don't think many people consider either of those songs to be "Late!" songs. "Marigold" is more widely considered a Nirvana b-side, and FOAF is simply seen as a song Dave wrote while in Nirvana. -- ChrisB 05:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I say put Late! under the "Also known as" field in the infobox WesleyDodds 10:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Where? Speedboy Salesman 13:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Can someone add a better picture, maybe a close-up of him smiling or something, from promos or events. It would look a lot better. 131.125.115.15 (talk) 01:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Death rumor vandalism generating bad press for Wikipedia
Let's try to keep an eye on this page. — CharlotteWebb 01:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.uncut.co.uk/news/foo_fighters/news/9394
 * http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/02/10/foo_fighters_singer_dave_grohl_isn_t_dea
 * (unreliable source - do not use) www.postchronicle.com/news/entertainment/tittletattle/article_21263673.shtml
 * http://www.soundgenerator.com/news/showarticle.cfm?articleid=8971
 * http://fametastic.co.uk/archive/20070213/4662/dave-grohl-im-not-dead/

Grunge
It should be listed. ChrisB states that "rock and alternative rock cover grunge" yet on the Nirvana page it has "grunge" listed. Last time I checked Grohl drummed for Nirvana, therefore grunge should be included. Speedboy Salesman 22:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The Foo Fighters are most commonly identified as "post-grunge". So that means Grohl's genre should include "grunge" and "post-grunge".  Probot is "metal", let's throw that in, too.


 * What do all of those have in common? Yep, they're all rock subgenres.  There isn't enough of a notable difference between Grohl's bands to warrant numerous variants of the same thing. -- ChrisB 00:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * So why has the Nirvana article have grunge on it? If your theory was correct all rock bands of any genre would just list rock as their list of genre. Speedboy Salesman 19:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That's beyond the point. If we list "grunge", we have to list "post-grunge", "metal", "acoustic", "punk", "post-punk", "hardcore", "post-hardcore", and any of a number of "genres" that Grohl might have had something to do with.  (Go down the list, and you can find a band that he's been in that fits each of those.) And you'd be okay with that? -- ChrisB 04:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No I'm just saying that the bands he is well known for should have the genre included. Nirvana was a big part of making Grohl who he is, because without Nirvana first, nobody would've gave a shit about the Foo Fighters, nevermind getting a record deal Speedboy Salesman 08:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That makes no sense whatsover. It's like saying, "Because trees are green, I'm driving to work."  Okay, so Nirvana was a large part of his success.  That doesn't force us to include "grunge" as a genre.  And there's no reasonable justification for overstating Nirvana's role in Grohl's career.


 * BTW, I completely disagree with your assertion. While it certainly helped that he was in Nirvana, there were countless bands signed during the mid-90s that had weaker collections of songs than Grohl's demos (ie, the ones that became the first Foo album).  And it wasn't really Nirvana's success that got him a deal - it was that Gary Gersh was Nirvana's A&R rep, and he consequently convinced Grohl to sign with Capitol (after Gersh took over as Capitol's president).  Without Nirvana, Grohl wouldn't have gotten as good a deal as he did, but claiming that he wouldn't have gotten signed at all (or that nobody would have "given a shit about the Foo Fighters") is just speculative opinion. -- ChrisB 22:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if Speedboy just thinks its pure coincidence for Dave to be successful in the Foo Fighters. Undermining Dave Grohl's amibitions as a musician is absurd, considering he was in how many bands before Nirvana, writing his own material and playing more than one instrument prior? Total lack of respect. It was only a matter of time untli we heard him, whether in Nirvana or Scream or even the Foo Fighters. 131.125.115.15 (talk) 17:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It's also speculation that Gersh would've contacted Grohl if he hadn't been in Nirvana, or if Gersh would've been aware of the Foo Fighters without Nirvana. You've just proved my point that it was Grohl's involvement in Nirvana first that got the Foo Fighters the record deal, thanks to Gersh as an A&R rep for Nirvana. Without Nirvana, Grohl would be playing in local bands and probably working menial jobs to support himself (once again speculation). Speedboy Salesman 11:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That's ridiculous. Just because Gersh wouldn't have contacted him doesn't mean Grohl couldn't or wouldn't have gotten a deal somewhere else.


 * Which brings us back to this: you can't justify forcing "grunge" into the genre without the arrogant POV contained in the rest of your post. Wikipedia is not the place to push a vendetta.  "The Foo Fighters suck, Grohl would be nothing without Nirvana" fails every guideline that Wikipedia has. -- ChrisB 23:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Saying that Grohl has nothing to with grunge is also POV. I take it your a Foo Fighters fan, give the first album a listen. Typical grunge songs. Pocketwatch is also grungy. Just because Grohl doesn't play grunge songs anymore doesn't he mean he's not associated with grunge Speedboy Salesman 10:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I take it you're a dime a dozen Nirvana fan that can't get out of 1994? The first Foo album sounds alot like Scream as well, musically, which was punk. Sorry buddy, grunge was a shitty genre that came in with Cobain and thankfully left with him. And to say we wouldn't be hearing the Foo Fighters today is absurd. I wouldn't undermine a musicians ambitions, especially one who had played in a number of bands before even joining Nirvana and had many connections. Dave was bound to be in a successful band. Nirvana just made it that much bigger. 131.125.114.132 (talk) 04:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Since this is an article about a bandmember and not a band, we don't have to get really specific with the genre tag. Rock music or alternative rock are fine by me. WesleyDodds 14:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The band Dave officially spent the LEAST amount of time in was Nirvana (popular for 2 1/2 years), which was a "grunge" band. So, labeling him solely as "grunge" would be absurd considering the number of other bands/projects he's been in, not to mention a lot longer. He's spent more time in punk rock than grunge Speedboy. His drums show up on 25 grunge tracks, compared to a countless number of punk rock/hard rock tracks they're on. Remember that. 131.125.115.15 (talk) 01:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

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Change it!
The introduction currently says "After the 1994 death of Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain's death", but the page is locked so I can't change it. Make it happen! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.231.110.136 (talk) 17:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Changed to "Following the 1994 death of Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain,...". Thanks for pointing that out. -- snowolf D4  (  talk  /  @   ) 18:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Left-handed guitars??
What's with Grohl and playing left-handed guitars upside-down?? The picture on the article page has him holding a left-handed guitar stringed upside-down and he's holding it right-handed (I'm pretty sure he's right-handed!) and I just noticed in The Pretender video he's doing the same thing. I usually assume the person is actually left-handed and they've just mirrored the video because some people think lefties look "odd" (I'm a lefty), but he's playing alongside the other two guys so it appears as if they're all playing right handed, only Grohl's guitar is again upside down.

What's up?? 210.138.109.72 01:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm not so sure about the picture now, it could be right-handed. But the guitar in The Pretender video is very left-handed! 210.138.109.72 01:53, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought some version of Gibson Explorers had the headstock upside down... Speedboy Salesman 19:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah his headstock is just upside down —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.1.111 (talk) 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It stems from his love for the Gibson Firebird, which was designed with an upside-down headstock - he's now altered some of his other guitars - specifically the DG-335 (of which he owns at least two)...--Voxpuppet (talk • contribs) 07:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Piano as an instrument
He plays piano on the new Foo Fighters album so it needs to be added to the list of instruments he plays. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.139.165 (talk) 07:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He's not primarily a piano player. Not like Elton John. There has been discussion about this before, friend. Scar ian  Talk  16:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

What does that have to do with him playing piano on the album, himself? The point is he can play it. 131.125.115.15 (talk) 17:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Criteria for Notability
I noticed that an edit I made to this page was reverted due to it not being important enough, which I'm completely fine with. I just have one question: Are there guidelines to determine what is appropriate to include in an article? I looked at Notability, but it focused more on whether a subject deserves an article, and thus wasn't very useful. Thanks, Plesiosaur (talk) 00:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I reverted your edit buddy. Thanks for your contribution. I, personally, am not aware of any consensus that pointed to the inclusion of a guitar section. Going by common sense I would say that it's not notable in this article because of the amount of other, more important, information about him that must be included. Feel free to open this up for wider discussion to see what the community thinks... but for it to be mega-notable I think it would have to have several different sources to make it a big enough thing to be included. I hope that clears things up for you. Take care! Scarian Call me Pat  01:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Ridiculous...
Who CARES if he's jewish or not?! who cares where his last name came from. all i know is that DAVE ERIC GROHL (not GROWL) was AND is one of the best drummers out there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.204.230.202 (talk) 15:53, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

discography
Ok... why was the discography removed? I don't think any claim of it being "non-notable" holds water. Gringo300 (talk) 21:15, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * With as many records he's played on, it should probably be a separate page. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Change of article name to "David 'Dave' Grohl"
Fucking ridiculous. Its inconsistent with every wikipedia article I can find that is about a person who goes by a nickname. The articles almost invariably use the person's stage name, and never have a nickname in quotes. It looks stupid, too. See: Johnny Depp, whose real name is Johnny; Alec Baldwin, real name Alexander; Charlie Chaplin, real name Charles Chaplin, Bob Dylan, real name Robert Allen Zimmerman... There's no point going on. I would change it if I could but I don't know how to. Leopold Stotch (talk) 18:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yup. But everyone knows him as Dave Grohl. So it stays. Scarian Call me Pat  18:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No you didn't get it... someone changed it to "David 'Dave' Grohl"... I was against it. I wasn't expecting it to last, but irrational behavior makes me angry and I was compelled to vent here. Leopold Stotch (talk) 06:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Grohl and Goldsmith
It says on this article that tension was between them on the recording of The Colour and the Shape. Anybody got a source? Speedboy Salesman (talk) 22:46, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * http://bestof.miaminewtimes.com/1998-12-03/music/bring-back-that-sunny-day -- ChrisB (talk) 06:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Everyone knows that already. 131.125.114.132 (talk) 04:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Equipment section
Hello! I started a section on Dave's musical equipment (guitars, effects and amps) this was removed because of "good faith" reasons, and added a link to website (which I also cross refrenced with www.guitageek.com) listing most of hius guitars. I'm new to the pedia and maybe I did something wrong, If so please tell because I really think that section on his gear would be intresting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roger Workman (talk • contribs) 14:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

What was that Beatles movie?
Someone told me that Grohl played Ringo Starr in a movie about the Beatles. What was its name? 207.136.224.138 (talk) 22:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Dave Grohl wasn't actually in the film, he just provided drum tracks for the film's soundtrack. 69.231.213.70 (talk) 04:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)