Talk:Dave Hall (Indiana politician)

Requested move 25 December 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: '''Mixed. To be updated individually..''' It is unanimous to move the Indiana politician as proposed; a consensus to move the governor articles as proposed; no consensus to move the remaining articles to the birth year dab as proposed. – robertsky (talk) 17:45, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

– These titles are inconsistent with usual conventions, and some are unnecessarily role-specific, and one is ambiguous. WP:DAB / WP:NCPDAB suggests using broadly applicable disambiguation terms, not very specific ones, such as using rather than. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:44, 25 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. –  15:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Dave Hall (politician) → Dave Hall (Indiana politician)
 * Dave Hall (Ohio state representative) → Dave Hall (Ohio politician, born 1960)
 * Dave Hall (Dayton mayor) → Dave Hall (Ohio politician, born 1906)
 * David Hall (Delaware governor) → David Hall (Delaware politician)
 * David Hall (Oklahoma governor) → David Hall (Oklahoma politician)


 * Support Dave Hall (Indiana politician); oppose year of birth; weak support governor → politician Consistency is welcome enough, except that WP:NCPDAB recommends using bespoke modifiers ahead of year of birth. Hameltion (talk &#124; contribs) 06:37, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Dave Hall (Indiana politician); oppose year of birth; neutral on the governors. The first is clearly ambiguous with the rest. The second and third are more recognizable by being disambiguated by office; birth years are rarely of use to readers and should be used only as a last resort. The fourth and fifth work fine either way as long one version redirects to the other. Station1 (talk) 07:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support all per nom. It's the way that seems to make the most sense, and to conform with respective article naming policies. Steel1943  (talk) 17:14, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support the others have 465 views compared with only 22[|Dave_Hall_(Ohio_state_representative)|Dave_Hall_(Dayton_mayor)|David_Hall_(Delaware_governor)|David_Hall_(Oklahoma_governor)] for the Indiana one.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:25, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Support Dave Hall (Indiana politician), oppose all of the others. Came here from another discussion, and this proposal is going off the rails.  A complete misreading of the cited policy: just because it gives "politician" as an example of a common disambiguator does not mean that it should be preferred to offices held; "governor" or "mayor" or "state representative" are all much clearer and more useful to readers.  Why anyone would advocate creating more ambiguity when the existing terms are clear and succinct is utterly baffling.  The policy also clearly states that years of birth are not usually desirable; and it explains clearly that readers are more likely to be searching for this information than to already know it.  P Aculeius (talk) 23:21, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Relisting comment: There's a very clear consensus for moving the first article, but none for the others. –  15:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Politics has been notified of this discussion. –  15:56, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject United States has been notified of this discussion. –  15:56, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support all. Standard disambiguation. I should point out that "politician" being the standard disambiguator rather than specific office has been established by consensus over many, many RMs. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Dave Hall (Indiana politician), David Hall (Delaware politician), David Hall (Oklahoma politician); oppose birth year. For the two from Ohio: According to the article Dave Hall (Dayton mayor), he never held any office other than in Dayton, Ohio, so the city is a good disambiguator. For Dave Hall (Ohio state representative), he is clearly more notable for being in the Ohio House of Representatives than anything else. Both are more recognizable this way than by birth year. Adumbrativus (talk) 20:18, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Dave Hall (Indiana politician), David Hall (Delaware politician), and David Hall (Oklahoma politician) as standard disambiguation although I am not sure on the two Dave Hall articles from Ohio. I originally created the David Hall (Oklahoma governor) article from a preexisting Wiki link back in January 2005, but I understand and respect that Wikipedia policies and guidelines regarding article naming change from time to time.--TommyBoy (talk) 06:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)