Talk:Dave Mustaine/Archive 1

Missing Information
"Their second album, released in November, is regarded as a landmark metal album. It produced the notable title track (the opening bass lick of which was used by "MTV News" segments) as well as the thrash anthem "Wake Up Dead.""

This is a bit from the 1981-1989 section. It was missing the name of the second album, "Peace Sells... but Who's Buying." and the name of the "notable title track", "Peace Sells". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.185.232.84 (talk) 21:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Discography
Following on from a similar discussion on the Megadeth page, it may make sense to strip the Megadeth Discography from here and point it towards a new article. There's little point in having the same information mirrored both here and on the Megadeth page. Instead, a new Megadeth Discography article is suggested IainP (talk) 09:59, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with the music page style rules, but I'm all for removing duplicated information. Is a separate page really the way it usually works? Also, that wouldn't include the MD.45 releases... -- nae'blis (talk) 15:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll be honest - I'm not sure about "usually works" but if you compare this page to the 'deth one, it's literally the exact same (with the exception of MD45). I'd suggest in this instance leaving the MD45 info here as there are only (and will only ever be) 2 items in it, and just place a link to the Megadeth discography after it. I would suggest linking to the discog. from other major Megadeth band members' articles, though with so many coming and going after an album or so it may make more sense to only list the ones they were involved in with another link to the main Megadeth page. With Dave, this isn't a worry as (simply) no Dave = no Megadeth. IainP (talk) 16:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Ahhh okay. A quick search shows that this is common practice for large, well-known groups, although with a lower-case "d". Leaving the MD.45 stuff ehre and linking out to your new article sounds like the best of all worlds. -- nae'blis (talk) 16:13, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think I mentioned on the 'deth page that I'd do this on Jan 1 if I got no negative comments. I'll do this page at the same time. IainP (talk) 16:28, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Quick ?
"In 1983, Mustaine was extremely angry after being kicked out of Metallica and his only goal in life was to create a band more successful than Metallica."

Is this really true? I mean, I know Mustaine was pissed about being kicked out but was this just supposition that his ONLY goal was to one-up Metallica? Did he ever state that?

205.238.205.220 22:15, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I remember reading somewhere that at the time, he did want to, and I quote, 'out-metal' them. I think it was some form of book about the history of the genre. And yes it was from his mouth. I don't know if it was his goal to make them more successful...that's kinda pushing it.--Rp81 16:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Not a Megadeth bio
Dave Mustaine is the central figure in the development of the band Megadeth, yes, but his Wiki shouldn't be a complete bio of the band! I've extracted much unecessary detail info on the band that should be integrated into the Megadeth Wiki. Fragments include the following:

Start


 * During the 1998 tour, Nick Menza had surgery to remove a benign tumor in his left knee and was replaced by Jimmy Degrasso. Menza was not asked back, and Degrasso went on to record


 * Following the Risk tour Marty Friedman grew tired of Megadeth and left to pursue other musical interests. The 2000 Maximum Rock tour saw guitarist Al Pitrelli (Savatage) to fill Friedman's shoes. In that subsequent year, the band recorded


 * The lineup for Megadeth's second album So Far, So Good... So What! (1988) featured Chuck Behler on drums and Jeff Young on guitars.


 * The lineup consisted of Kerry King of Slayer on guitar, and Gar Samuelson on drums. Kerry decided to stay with his former band, Slayer, and was replaced in 1984 by Chris Poland.


 * Dimebag Darrell, who was recognized for his excellent playing; however, Dimebag agreed only if his brother Vinnie Paul could play the drums for the band. The band already had a drummer at the time, so instead


 * On post RIP albums: Some hardcore fans critized these two albums for being too commercial, as the new style was a bit  of a departure from their previously established fast-paced thrash sound.


 * On TSHF lineup: He contacted many former members of Megadeth, however all the former members (with the exception of former drummer Nick Menza) were unable or unwilling to participate. Auditions began and Mustaine hired Iced Earth bassist James MacDonough and Eidolon guitarist Glen Drover. Menza was eventually fired for undisclosed reasons (Mustaine hinted that he could not adequately play any material, even his own old stuff) and was replaced by Eidolon drummer (and brother to Glen) Shawn Drover. Shawn Drover said that he was hired 5 days before his first show with Megadeth without having to audition.


 * recording TSHF: Chris Poland, to join Vinnie Colaiuta (drums) and Jimmy Lee Sloas (bass)


 * This lineup, playing in the epitome of Megadeth's success, consisted of Marty Friedman (of the band Cacophony) in the lead guitarist spot, Nick Menza on drums, Dave Ellefson still on bass, and Mustaine himself.


 * at the end of 2005 megadeth performed in israel as part from theyr europe tour, they performed four songs in a local metal festival called "metalist".

End.


 * Good call. In the same spirit, I removed the "Bands who got their start..." section.  --ElKevbo 04:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, and was just going to comment on this very thing. We have worked hard to make the Megadeth wiki one of the best.  This article needs to focus more on Dave and less on Megadeth.

Feuds?
What is this, WWE? 203.132.66.13 09:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

THe fueds are necesary to be shown, they give an idea of what dave's relationship with other guitarist is like. Childishknack 07:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Picture
I must request the users to please acquire a picture, which can be used in this article.

- Anirudh 04:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Done Skeletor2112 04:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * There is no longer a picture because the wikinazis had it removed, it looks like somone needs to go to a megadeth show and take a pic with their digital camera and upload one or it will be removed. --E tac 00:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Argh! Damn those wikinazis and their grasp of US copyright law!  --ElKevbo 00:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry but promotional pics released by the artist and hisgh school yearbook photos are not in violation of copyright laws. --E tac 01:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Early life
anybody? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.150.86.20 (talk) 04:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

I have heard he was an orphan and lived with his big sister and her often abusive bofriends or something like that somewhere, can anyone confirm this? --E tac 04:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Check out the Megadeth VH1 Behind The Music, it sheds some light on his early years, including his violent alchoholic father, sisters and entry into metallica and so on. The Ravager 16:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Feuds
Is it neccessary to have such an extensive feuds section? It feels more like an article about a politician than an important hard rock/heavy metal star216.141.239.117 04:15, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I can understand keeping the Metallica feud, but can we get rid of the 'Rotting Christ - Sakis Toli' feud at least?


 * Why? It has been widely reported and talked about in the metal community. Why should it not be on here?--E tac 17:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, if people want to keep it on, can we at least make it longer than just one sentence?

Uhhh.
"One of the major arguments within the band occured when Mustaine decided to bring his dog to a rehearsal. He usually left it to guard his stash of heroin before he sold it, but on this day he brought it along. As they neared the building where the band were to play, Ron McGovney (the Metallica bassist at the time) was pulling up in his car. Dave's dog immediately began scratching at it and climbing on the bonnet. McGovney was angry and started shouting at Mustaine. Next Hetfield emerged from the building and did the same. Things got heated and Hetfield kicked Dave's dog. Mustaine threatened to hit James and Ron said: "If you're going to hit him, you'll have to hit me first." When Mustaine turned to him James added: "If you're going to hit Ron, you'll have to hit me first." To this Dave replied: "You win James!" and punched him. According to McGovney, James flew across the room. Ron then jumped on Mustaines back, was flipped and thrown against a wall. The other band members then got up and told Dave he was fired. He quickly left after collecting his stuff. The next day he went back to the rehearsal room, walked through the door and asked: "Can I be back in the band?" "Yeah, ok." Came the reply."

Although there's no doubt Dave would kick Metallica's collective asses with his hands bound behind his back, this segment is very unencyclopedic.


 * I agree. Also, there's a potentialy libelous statement in there (selling heroin?) so until someone can cite a source for the above, I've erased it. Once a source is proven, the original text is above - cut and paste it back in... IainP (talk) 19:29, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Why is it back? The source cited doesn't seem to hold that much detail, and the entire article reads like it was written by a schoolkid 86.151.227.179 07:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Disagreed. it's back because it holds A LOT of detail and offers those interested a greater insight into the tensions rising between Dave and fellow 'tallica members at the time. reads like a schoolkid? well they were school kids basically just coming out of their teens, what exactly do you want? James to say 'Ok, I didn't say "get your fuckin dog of his car man!" I said "David, would you be as kind as to remove your canine from the prescence of Ronalds automobile bumper plate please"' Its the way they said it, get over it. Bottom line is it's interesting, and if you all are not convinced because of your "citing" views, it may not be in the Oxford dictionary, but it was taken from interviews/talks with Dave, Lars, James and Ron which may just hold a little value, but I suppose that could be questioned as there must be a better source right? Right!??

Btw, I'm not too sure if he was selling heroin and can't be assed watching the documentary again so if someone could clarify that as I would have thought it was just weed or rocks at the most. Plus Ron left after the Beer down the Bass incident I'm 100% sure so if someone wants to put that after the dog kicking fight then that'd be good. Dimedude 18:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Megadeth or Mustaine?
Who's this article about? Seems to read like a Megadeth article, and not one about Mustaine. Rather poor really. LuciferMorgan 17:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Despite revisions this article still seems to talk more about the band. I think the current content is fine but there is hardly anything as to his more personal life. I have heard he is married and has at least one kid. Let's actually get some information about Dave on here! HotOne121 02:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

They are just feuds, not "blood feuds"
A blood feud is where somebody has been killed and his/her relatives or allies exact vengeance for the murder. There's no evidence that this is the case for any of the feuds or rivalries mentioned here. Ergo - removal of the word "blood" from the section in this context. Nizamarain 18:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

james kicked dave's dog not the other way around
or thats what dave says in their behind the music http://youtube.com/watch?v=dLmgCaYOYNU around 4:35 --MisterDie 00:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Fromer Atheist/Agnostic???
Anyone have a source on this and why it is listed as a category. As far as I have heard from interviews Dave always had a belief that there was some sort of God and he even dabbled in the occult in Megadeths early days. I wouldn't say he was ever either an atheist or agnostic.--E tac 07:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There are those who dabble in the occult yet still say there is no God. However, I do agree with you, I can't find any source to say he was an atheist/agnostic. IronCrow 04:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Just read an interview, same one that said he was Christian, didn't realise it at first but he was never an atheist/agnostic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IronCrow (talk • contribs) 02:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

HM Magazine article does not say Dave Mustain is not a born-again Christian
1st the HM Magazine article does not say Dave Mustain is not a born-again Christian.

2nd this is an interview that affirms the Christian-based spirituality of Megadeath bassist Dave Ellefson.

So, this is ill-sourced: doesn't source the claim and doesn't even have the right band member referenced in the article being interviewed.

So, I am removing the mis-sourced statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdhunt (talk • contribs) 06:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

hey colorado!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hola colorado el mes de mayo estuvo en buenos aires e hizo un show espectacular, cuando vuelver por estos lados lo estamos esperando. saludos bye! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.63.9.169 (talk) 18:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Stage Presence
After seeing Megadeth twice now, ive noticed that Dave has said both times that talking during a show between songs is quote "a waste of time", this is more trivia I suppose and since I dont have a source except for everyone else that was at those shows... just putting it out there The Ravager 16:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually you do have a source. In this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dygf8ZxJR8A Dave said the exact same thing you just did. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kgardner1123 (talk • contribs) 04:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Dave's near death experience
Why isn't there a little paragraph or stub in here about Dave Mustaine nearly dying as a result of an attempted suicide by overdosing on valium in Feb. 1993?

I don't know much about it, but I do know that "A Tout Le Monde" was made as a reference to his attempted suicide.


 * A tout le monde was not a reference to his failed suicide attempts, But Skin O' My Teeth most certainly was. CallumJenkins2

"... and even a hit that reportedly began as a suicide note, "A Tout Le Monde"." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youthanasia (You can also search Google and get dozens upon dozens of other references, all with the same general information.)

Also, it should be noted "Skin 'o My Teeth" first appeared on Countdown to Extinction, which was an album released in 1992. "A Tout Le Monde" was released in 1994 on Youthanasia.

I also think that Dave almost dying should be noted. 212.219.220.225 12:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

What about the song 99 ways to die. you should read the lyrics. --DABANANAMUFFIN (talk) 01:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

there is a strong evidence that dave tried suicide

in vh 1 behind the music dave talked himself about 2 attempts not one i think i watched it and i m sure

so please write it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fury44 (talk • contribs) 22:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Fueds
This article seems to me like a People magazine or something. Shouldn't the "Fueds" section be narrowed down or something? Like the Rikki Rachtman section...? IronCrow 04:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Mustaine's feuds are certainly worth mentioning, but the level of detail about ten separate disagreements seems way over the top for an encyclopedia article which is already very long. Too much "he said", "he replied", "he did this" etc. which adds nothing useful and will surely be of little interest to most people. Andy Berry 20:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

The feuds section should be removed completely. In my opinion it is there as an attempt to degrade the character of Dave Mustaine and is completely unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innerrock (talk • contribs) 12:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC) Innerrock (talk) 21:51, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Lots of problems on the Mustaine page
This wiki page needs to move away from being a Megadeth bio towards a proper page with information on Mustaine. It also needs to remove all the bias and reaffirm some neutrality because at present it reads as a mostly negative casting of Mustaine. Lots needs to be edited and changed, a few glaring faults include:

Injury section: the interview exerpt used from a Suicide Girls interview contains no real facts about what happened to Mustaine's arm or a date or timeline. I tried to add a much better explanation written by Mustaine himself which contains a full explination of the arm injury, where it happened and why. It also includes a personal recount of how Mustaine got better and who helped him in this process. LINK : http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/BLABBERMOUTH.NET/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=18186 I put this into the Wiki page but somebody deleted it and replaced it again with the very poor previous entry from the Suicide Girls interview. Clearly the full explination from Mustaine from the Blabbermouth article is far more informative and more neutral.

I tried to enter a section about Mustaine's coffee company that he runs with his wife Pam, and also a little information on the charity work he has done with the coffee company, but someone deleted this as well. This is information that anyone researching Mustaine should know about. Hence, it should be on his page.

The feuds and rivalries section needs to go. It reeks of hearsay and if someone is going to tell me that this section is neutral then it should be placed on all the other rivals wiki pages and not just Daves. Just because the only info you can find on the web to place on this page is about this stuff doesn't mean that is what should be put on the page. THe media has a bias towards Mustaine, and love to punlish theses feud stories as it makes for juicy reading and will likely sell more copies of a magazine etc. Innerrock (talk) 01:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innerrock (talk • contribs) 01:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Section deletetion
I added a section about Dave's Guitar style aswell as info on Dave's guitar pick of choice that was deleted. I respectfully ask why it was deleted and what needs to be done for it to be put in on a permanent basis. The information I posted is supported in, for example, Daves Guitar World column Symphony of Instruction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjusovaren (talk • contribs) 15:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I strongly believe there should be a section on Dave's guitar style, and think this section should be allowed to be put back in. Dave Mustaine = Guitar. Innerrock (talk) 21:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Feuds and Rivalries
The feuds and rivalries section was definately long enough to have its own section, so i moved it. I really hope another person can fix this page up, i just feel that it took more than half of the page and this small part of the article's topic was more than half of the page. Furthermore, it made the topic far from neutral. MikeWayneVartan (talk) 19:37, 24 January 2009 (UTC) (sorry for not signing before)

Problem
Since the genre on Mustaine's page is synonymous with his work on Megadeth's, it makes little statistical sense to put "hard rock" on his profile. Obviously, there is no source of it as an effect. What a surprise. -MetalKommandant (talk) 02:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey. Using the talk pages here instead of reverting the edits to explain why we can't pull something out of our asses and label it as fact. The rules seem to apply to no one else though. -MetalKommandant (talk) 05:27, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, assholes. This is why I don't use your fucking talk pages. It's a fucking dead end. Goddammit, Megadeth's genre is synonymous with Dave Mustaine's. You have no fucking source on hard rock. -MetalKommandant (talk) 04:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Megadeath section
Last paragraph. 'fried'? is this a technical term? Kidding, and the informality of the section as a whole aside, and wth, even the word itself aside, this is not cited, one wonders how Penelope knew the exact type of drugs Mustaine was supposed to have taken...there are credibility problems here, with the writer, with the source, with the details. Behind the Music is not exactly a current news program, so Spheeris had plenty of time to hone the story, or even lift it wholesale from those that followed the time of the alleged incident. BLP rules, people. I suggest a summary style would be a good compromise. Take out some of the more dubious details, like the types of drugs, Anarchangel (talk) 11:45, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Canadian American?
In his categories, it says he is a Canadian American. Is this correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by NKS22 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Ron Mcgovney
Having read the paragraph "Another incident occurred when Mustaine, who had been drinking, poured a full can of beer down the neck and into the pick-ups of Ron McGovney's bass. When McGovney tried playing it, he received an electrical shock which he claims 'blew him across the room and shocked the hell out of him'. McGovney then told Mustaine to leave his house, and quit the band." i was always led to belive that the incident was when Mcgovney caught Mustaine pouring beer over his bass or amp (had conflicting info there) whilst muttering "I f***ing hate ron" which prompted ron to leave the band, i cant find any online evidence for this but an eidition of Kerrang did suggest this was the case, is anyone certain of which version is true and if so should the article be updated? --Volanaro Talk 12:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope. I can't remember what video i was watching (i think it was vh1 behind the music of megadeth)... Mcgovney explained it.

Also... i don't think the feuds and rivalries section is even relevant to an encyclopedia page. Should we have a page for every person that says "Who he likes" and "who he doesn't get along with". I think it should be removed. as far as i have seen this is the only person with such a page... and it has no useful information other than gossip which has questionable sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rattleglans (talk • contribs) 05:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Prime Genre
Dave's prime genre isn't heavy metal, it's thrash. Just sayin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.178.152.137 (talk) 17:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

He plays the bass
In one interview, Dave said the he wrote most of the Peace Sells on a bass guitar, so I'm putting he plays the bass —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.178.152.137 (talk) 23:55, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Drums, Really?
I'm not sure if he does play drums or not, but if not them please stop trying to add random instruments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.178.152.137 (talk) 03:05, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

History
In the History section the article talks about him dealing drugs and such. The source for this claim is Everything2.com. While the author of that piece lists a bibliography she does not mention where she got the facts for this claim. The book Metallica Unbound: The Unofficial Biography is mentioned in the bibliography but I don't have the book and using Amazon's search feature isn't turning up any corroborating evidence. So unless someone can come up with a reliable source this stuff should be deleted as it's clear WP:BLP stuff. SQGibbon (talk) 00:40, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Road Runner
Wanted to leave important data for interviews concerning Vikings. There is dvd, "They came a Viking", offered by Shepherd's Chapel, 53:00, very informative of true Vikings, and dispells unpopular propaganda that many are against. Still does not tell all mysteries concerning The Gods. Relatives would have ancient history concerning sacred rights. Stained Glass Virgin75.248.80.9 (talk) 16:55, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

More description from being deported from Metallica
you need just a small description about that, overnight they packed Mustaines bags and woke him and said your out of the band —Preceding unsigned comment added by Master of Articles (talk • contribs) 00:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

"Megadave"?
I can honestly say I've never heard him called "Megadave". I even did a Google search for the term, nothing on Mustaine. - Mewtation 12:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

ive heard this term many times. its based on two things. "dave mustaine is megadeth" and how dave is the only original member of the band. DarkstalkerM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76CbRDJGT0U&mode=related&search= <- arsenio hall calls him "megadave" at the end of the interview after megadeth perform symphony of destruction.

Megadave is the username of the webmaster on the Megadeth forums. His name is also 'Dave'. Dave Mustaine's nickname is MEGAMAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.90.57 (talk) 12:04, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Dave / Christianity in Recovery section
Dave did not "become" a christian during this period. He has believed in God his entire life, stating in many interviews that he prayed to God as early as the Peace Sells era ("Whaddya mean I don't believe in God? I talk to him every day.."). I think it was actually between Youthanasia and Cryptic Writings where Dave became more interested in religion, as Dan Huff (producer of CW and Risk) is a Christian and also this was when Dave finally got sober. Innerrock (talk) 04:34, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, actually I don't think that's true. Dave was born to a Jewish mother, making him Jewish. he then became a born-again Christian after his injury 01:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maximum927 (talk • contribs)

There is a bit of information repeated in this section. As a whole, I believe some portions need to be re-written. I will make some minor changes now that do not affect content but remove the repetitive places. Raoulduke25 (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Megadeth appeared 2010 at Sonisphere Festival in Switzerland, just before Slayer iirc. So much for his policy... 129.132.224.91 (talk) 16:14, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

satanic bands - has his stance changed
There is a mention of Dave Mustaine refusing to play on the same billing as bands perceived to be satanistic. But now that he plays with Slayer on Big 4 shows, can we assume his stance has changed, that he has loosened his principles some? --188.115.21.158 (talk) 15:23, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Slayer isn't satanic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.84.17.152 (talk) 23:15, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

former jahoova witness???
'''i don't think so since dave didn't even mention it

his mother is jewish

was his dad a jahoova witness and he was raised like that

i wanna know more pls

anyway, he is a christian now and this is for sure

but i wanna knoe why you categorized him under former jahoova witness

was he

i think that he was a former jew not jahoova witness

thank you''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.242.197 (talk) 17:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * He said he was raised a Jehovah's Witness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meddalfanz87 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Religion and politics
I added some old and current articles on his religion and politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meddalfanz87 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll bite. I originally reverted because I didn't see a complete citation on the thing about Dave commenting on British Gov't comments on homosexuality, and that and some of the other political stuff seemed kind of inflammatory. That said, I did read the thing on Blabbermouth earlier about him saying about Obama being divisive or whatever - wasn't questioning that in particular. But still, the whole politics & views on homosexuality thing just seems somewhat inflammatory and irrelevant. Why is it needed?--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:09, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Why is the size of his pick and its brand get included in a wikipedia biography? Why is his appearance at a NAMM show to promote a guitar included?


 * Why is any detail included in a biography? His statements about morality from the Bible and his political beliefs/ activities, including causing a riot due to his political statements, are relevant to his biography. Mustaine is well-known for his inflammatory statements. It seems more than relevant to include some that share insight into who he is and what he has believed (and currently believes). Actually, way more revelant than what current pick he uses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meddalfanz87 (talk • contribs) 23:22, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * As a matter of fact, I agree that it is kind of stupid putting in what brand of picks he uses, but that isn't what you were trying to add, so that's why I didn't address that. The riot, which if I am not mistaken is referring to the whole IRA thing, relates to the writing of "Holy Wars...The Punishment Due", so that is relevant to the music at least. As for Mustaine voting for Bush in 2004 and Clinton before that, what does it really matter?
 * In any case, I'm not going to revert anything again (though I did correct a couple of typos) - I see everything is sourced now, and it seems to me that your edits are good faith. Regards --L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * On that note, the biography should also mention the influence Alex Jones' films and ideas have on Mustaine and his music.www.prisonplanet.com/the-alex-jones-show-l-i-v-e-september-25th-with-dave-mustaine.html] Namely that "Endgame, [was] to educate his fans and the general public about the conspiracy behind the march towards global government." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meddalfanz87 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Dave Mustaine to Starving African Women: Plug It
In a 2012 LA Weekly interview, regarding starving Africans, Mustaine said: "I watch some of these shows from over in Africa, and you've got starving women with six kids. Well, how about, you know, put a plug in it? It's like, you shouldn't be having children if you can't feed them." This has gotten a lot of coverage and should be included:


 * What relevance is this exactly? Most of the other political stuff at least relates because its U.S. politics, and a lot of his lyrics are critical of U.S. politics. Just cause Mustaine stuck his foot in his mouth again doesn't automatically make it noteworthy). On a lesser note, your title for this section is also taking a shocking comment out-of-context (not that the context is much better) and I think that betrays your motives to a degree. While I have seen Mustaine's foot-in-mouth disorder manifest itself over the years, often it's because he's talked into it by an interviewer so they can get a shocker headline and make Mustaine look dumb...basically the same thing they used to (and still do to a degree) do to him over the whole Metallica thing.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 22:21, 25 February 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) The title of this thread is a shortened version of the title where the interview came from. That is: "Dave Mustaine to Starving African Women: Plug It" in the LA Weekly. If you don't like that title, then write a letter to the author. Anyone who wants to read more about what he said can.
 * 2) Things are noteworthy when they receive media attention from a variety of sources. Here are some articles that mention it:
 * 3) I don't care about your opinions or how you think interviewers operate. Mustaine said something stupid, its being covered in multiple music news outlets, and thus it noteworthy to include.
 * PS, If you think the quote is out of context, feel free to give the context. I think you'll find that spelling out further that he wants starving women to "plug" their vaginas to prevent further births might be even more harder to explain.


 * To respond to, in order:
 * 1) Yes, obviously, but it is obvious the way you posted it that you are trying to push a view here. I'm complaining about your title of this thread, not the, shall we say, "journalists" who come up with this stuff (and they do it to everyone, too - its all about shock, cause shock sells)
 * 2)I'm not really convinced that foot-in-mouth syndrome is noteworthy by itself, and that really is all this is he got asked some random question and like he is known to do, shot his big stupid mouth off. It's just him trying to make sense on something, but making an ignorant comment/comparison -  no need to overhype it anymore than it already supposedly is. Like I said before, there is no relevance to the reason as to why he has an article here in the first place.
 * 3)Frankly, I don't give a damn that you don't care. I'm speaking of the headlines of the articles being out-of-context (Again, I'm not saying that the context is great, but context generally helps to explain things better) - its all attention-grabber BS.
 * Actually, I think the idea behind his comment is easy to explain (...don't have kids if you can't feed them...) and quite honestly, on the surface, I think that (...don't have kids if you can't feed them...) is an understandable position to take, but Mustaine doesn't understand as much as he thinks he does and frequently goes a bit too far and says something that displays his ignorance. Remember, Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not some piece of sensationalist journalism.
 * Oh, and by the way, for the future, please sign your talk page posts, Nigll1he --L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) OK, so you want me to change the title to "Dave Mustaine to Starving African Women: Plug It" to mirror the exact article title. Done.
 * 2) No one said it's "noteworthy by itself." The point is it is notable as its being discussed in several music news publications. Many news mentions=notable event.
 * 3) Yawn. The sources speak for themselves.
 * Since you don't get why its being discussed all over the web, I'll explain it: It's offensive. Starving women by-definition cannot have babies, much less get pregnant. Secondly, just because someone is currently poor and/or starving doesn't mean they always were, such as when they did get pregnant. Thirdly, in war-torn places or regions that suffer droughts food resources drop people have to feed their kids. So telling a Haitian women to "plug it" in the aftermath of the 2010 Haiti earthquake is not only dumb advice, its amazingly stupid and callous. Fourthly, in regions where there is genocide, such as the genocide in the War in Darfur, women and children are targeted and isolated, forced from their homes, livihoods into the desert where they die from starvation if they aren't killed. Telling the mother of a 10 year old child to "plug it" isn't too helpful to say the least. Let me know if you don't understand any of that context. I can point you to further reading if you need it. Nigll1he (talk) 05:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) Whatever, the way you originally put it there made me think you have an agenda. You could change it to " Elvis Spotted in Las Vegas" or some nonsense now, doesnt matter to me, I already think you're POV pushing.
 * 2) Those same music news outlets also cover when he says something about Gigantour, or when he released info on the album that they just put out, and by that logic, any time Mustaine gives an interview and says anything, it should automatically be included in the article. In theory, if headlines like "Breaking news - Mustaine prefers boxers to briefs!" or "Megadeth mainman says Chevy makes best pickup trucks" popped up, they should be included - not quite on the same level, but where does the line get drawn as to what to include? This is essentially (supposed to be) a biography in a nutshell, not a guide to all Mustaine's stupid interview comments over the years.
 * 3) You yawn, but I'm already asleep. Again though (as with what I just said above), much of what Mustaine says gets covered, and in theory, all of that, no matter how good or bad, or mundane or trivial, as long as it gets coverage, should be fair game here by that logic.
 * Um, yeah, thanks for explaining it to me...after all, I am so stupid that I cannot see that it could be found offensive by anyone. It's certainly offensive when added in an out of context fashion like that. At least if you include the whole thing, the comments are at least explained a little more clearly. You're really over-analyzing this now. Mustaine is a musician, he's not a member of the state department whose job it is to know all that stuff.
 * I gotta say, I'm really losing interest in arguing with you now.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 22:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Maybe because he already won the argument, and you still clearly don't grasp why?

parents' divorced when?
Anon changed the 'parents divorced when he was seven' line to '...when he was four' today - it's admittedly difficult to find evidence for or against, but nothing on Google leads me to believe this is correct. Maybe we should take out the date entirely, unless someone has an interview/bio as source for the timeframe? On the other hand, this was Anon's only edit so far, so it may have been vandalism. nae'blis (talk) 15:37, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

According to Ancestry.com David Mustaine's parents divorced when he was about 7

California Divorce Index, 1966-1984

Name:John J Mustaine

Spouse Name:Emily M David

Location:Orange

Date:Sep 1967 Louiswfallert (talk) 06:57, 8 July 2012 (UTC)louiswfallert

User:Jack O'Lantern
I have seen interviews that state that his background is English, Irish and French. His last name is Welsh however so there is definetly Welsh heritage in his background. He still spends a lot of time in England. The details below are correct though, if his name is Mustaine then he is ethnically Welsh.

Dave Mustaine's paternal family were Welsh Baptists from Virginia Colony; ancestry.com's source is Oxford University and state that his name is North Welsh (a fairly distinguished one). Ancestry also shows his name (under two spellings) going back to Virginia and Pennsylvania in 1840, where Welsh Baptists and Welsh Quakers settled respectively. Saint David is the patron of Wales and professor David Hackett Fischer says that those from North Wales were part of a "frontier culture", which had (lost of saints names) Anglo-Scottish border names that includes Scott, Dave's middle name. Sir Walter Scott, Tony Scott and Ridley Scott among them holding this prominent Border Reiver name. You don't have to be a whiz to know that Dave even looks Welsh (like the Tudors), or Celtic at the least. I feel that Oxford University being used as a reference for both Ancestry.com and David Hackett Fischer is precedent enough. Hey, who the hell would dispute that Ronald Reagan was Irish, or that James Monroe was Scottish, or that James Polk was Northern Irish, or that William Henry Harrison was English, or that Martin van Buren was Dutch, or that Dwight Eisenhower was German, or that John Kennedy was Irish? This sort of thing is known or accepted by the average American, without question in most circumstances. You have to have a feeling for people, or else you are antisocial and don't know them at the essence of who they are inside. I also hardly think a teenager is well experienced to know such things either. Go into the world and meet people, then come back here and say you dispute all this stuff. Oh and make sure you contact Oxford University and Professor Fischer both. You'll kiss their ass, or at least look like one. I also edited the Ellefson (Norwegian), Newsted (English), Hetfield (English), Trujillo (Mexican), Burton (English), McGovney (Scottish, but more likely Scotch-Irish). Who disputes those identifications? Only somebody with a lack of education and understanding of people and ethnic background. IP Address 20:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source that describes Mustaine, not his great-great-etc. grandfather, as Welsh or Welsh-American? If you do, you may list him as a Welsh-American. If you don't, you may not! This is so obviously simple that I'm not sure why I even have to explain it. You either have a source that says exactly what you want to say, or you don't. Wikipedia editors may not deduce who is or is not an X-American based on last names, the ethnicity of great-grandparents, and anything else that in anyone's opinion makes that person X-American, nor can you use the "everyone knows" argument, because if "everyone knows" something it should take you approximately two seconds to find a source that says so. If we have a source, that, say, using your above example, John F Kennedy is Irish-American, which we do, we can list him as Irish-American, which we also do as far as I know. It boils down to - you either have a source that says Dave Mustaine himself is Welsh-American or you don't have that source. There is little to discuss. Mad Jack 03:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * A agree with Jack. What you have done is clearly original research.  --ElKevbo 04:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

The majority of entries should be deleted then. Go about and revamp entire ethnic categories, removing one person at a time. Or, you can get a life and shut the fuck up. IP Address 05:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Please be civil in your interactions with other editors. --ElKevbo 05:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * This isn't "in the article" until proven wrong. It's "not in the article until proven right". I also removed your above message. It is a personal attack. Mad Jack 05:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

In furtherance of my editing, I have found out MORE evidence to support this! Dave Mustaine's coat of arms (or at least the one he identifies with on The System Has Failed's lyrics for the "Shadow of Deth") are here:   If you seriously thought the way you did, then you would have to remove most Irish-American (including identification as Catholic) people so categorized merely by their surname and popular belief. I have here, at least background knowledge on Welsh-American colonists and Dave Mustaine's personal background. What have you to contradict this array of facts? Where are you in handling those so-called Irish Catholic American articles? Or, try the German American ones on for size! Instead, you attack well-referenced sources that must mean you have an agenda! I will now re-add this info. Make yourselves useful attacking unsourced edits to purported Irish and German Americans. IP Address 10:31, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That's much better evidence. Still pretty close to original research but much better than your previous "evidence."  Please make sure to add that reference as a source in the appropriate place(s).
 * And please cease making personal attacks on other editors. No one here has an agenda.  --ElKevbo 12:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It would have been different if you got involved in removing various unsourced ethnic additions on so many articles in which nobody is editing currently. Besides, my sentiment was WP:POINT in your case. One rule against another. By the way, looking up for oneself the little known ethnicity of some public figure is NOT original research...though it may appear to be. Some ethnic identity is widely discussed, while others aren't flaunted. Just because Dave's is more or less obscure, doesn't mean it is original research. This accusation of yours is a personal attack against my motive (WP:AGF). IP Address 14:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Re-read the entire paragraph you posted at the top of this section. That's pure research.  "Looking up for oneself the little know known ethnicity" of anyone is original research, particularly when you're throwing their last name into ancestry.com or some other database.  I respect what you do and I'm sure that your conclusions are factually correct.  But it's original research and it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article.  Find a verifiable source that states it and then include it - that's how we work here.
 * And for the third time, lay off the personal attacks and town down the completely unnecessary aggressiveness. --ElKevbo 14:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Where is this evidence? On the interviews or lyrics, there is no mention of the word Welsh. As for the last name Mustaine being Welsh, I have no doubt of that, but that is completely irrelevant to Dave Mustaine. I handle all X-American lists, actually, and I protect them from similar original research. Mad Jack 16:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

OK ElKevbo; I am sorry. Mad Jack, you actually think "X-American lists" are your territory to go unchallenged? I'm afraid that just won't do, especially when you are contributing very little information. You have marked your free spot on the internet and will fight over it until you grow weary of being apathetic. You are anti-intellectual as well, since you don't want to expand articles, only reduce them to disinteresting and cookie-cutter versions that have the least variation from any other encyclopedia. Don't you know how injurious to the Wikipedia community and the project itself is? You make us plain-jane and lose all the edge we used to have over our competitors. If all we present is what they have, then I'm sure we aren't working hard enough! Wikipedia was once able to impress a majority of internet searchers by having most of the cards, but it has become a tragedy because of edits by protectionists like yourself who don't see the future. Dave Mustaine claims the family crest, which is Welsh. A + B = C. Reading between the lines is not original research, but a natural tendency of those who compile data and attempt to make miscellaneous facts appear legible and direct to the point, as if making sense. Do cooperative facts mean nothing, or does your mind lack the capacity for logic and mathematics? Dave Mustaine is a gifted artist who can see the forest for the trees; all good musicians are good at math. Can you be a big a person as Dave Mustaine, or are you going to prolong this revert war because of insults I hurled when you illegitimately reverted good faith contributions of mine? ElKevbo surely understood my "I told you so" edit and became reasonable, until I continued with my own passive-aggressive behavior. Let's quit fighting; so just help me put the source into the article(s) properly. I don't know how to edit in "ref"s. Help me make it the proper and stylish encyclopedia that holds a standard format. I'm terrible at formatting. I also have messy handwriting, but I at least know how to look up sources and contribute in that sense. IP Address 23:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't a debating society. You either have a source or you don't. If you have a source that says he is Welsh-American, you may list him as such. If you don't, there is little to talk about. Find a source that says exactly what you want to say. Mad Jack 23:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and speaking of A + B = C, you may want to check out WP:NOR, which explicitly, in wording, forbids A + B = C. If you find a reliable source I will format it myself, no problem with that. But you need a source that says he is Welsh or Welsh-Amer, not anything that in your, mine, or anyone else's opinion makes him that. Mad Jack 23:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I have an alternative to both versions presented. "Dave Mustaine is an Old-Stock American and has referenced the Mostyn family motto, in one of his songs and in an interview." This is the general gist, but I would flesh it out better with links. Notice how willing I am to compromise? Don't go for 3RR; hypocrite. IP Address 23:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What is "Old-Stock American"? It sounds like some kind of weird label. I guess you could say "Source X called him "Old-Stock American" in reference to this or that", etc. You can say he referenced the Mostyn family motto, certainly, and cite it to that link. However, the whole Welsh info can't be in here unless there's a source for it relating to Mustaine. It's as simple as that. I do not understand what "compromise" means. There is no 50-50. There is either 100%, when a source says something and we report it, or there is 0%, when a source does not say something which means we can not put that somethin on here. I suppose we have 50-50 if we have to separate reliable sources contradicting each other, but in that case we just say Source A said this and Source B said that. You can put anything you want on this or any other article, as long you source it to a good source that says exactly what you put in. Mad Jack 01:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GC-0Cjf7Ns0&mode=related&search= <- in an interview dave says his father was french-irish, theres some direct evidence from the horse's mouth! 71.126.12.86 03:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)surge

Why dont u all watch VH1's Behind the Music and u can hear all this comin out of the artists' their own mouth ^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.198.212.117 (talk) 13:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

During a concert (Helsinki, 4.2.2008) Dave says: “A couple of hundred years ago my last name used to be Mustonen. You know, I have little bit some Finnish blood in me.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNRILW-ZsAE I don’t if Mustaine is Welsh or not, but at least in Finland it’s well-known fact that Mustaine comes from Mustonen. JanneVMJ (talk) 01:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

In re: Dave Mustaine's ancestry. I suppose my research might be considered original by some, though I rely basically on ancestry.com and the internet. In tracing the descendants of my own ancestors, I discovered that Dave Mustaine is my fifth cousin. I have only researched my own cousins, not all the other lines that have contributed to Dave's ancestry. He would appear somewhat typically American. On his mother's side, 20th century immigrant German Jewish, on his father's side, which connects to my Valentine line, he has ancestors that go back to 17th century New England.Louiswfallert (talk) 07:18, 8 July 2012 (UTC) I did a bit of looking up on the Mustaine line on Ancestry.com There has been a "research" on this line. There are a fair amount of record: census, state records, military records, gravestones, etc for the 19th and 20th Century. 17th and 18th Century records are not as numerous, but the Mustaine line seems quite reasonable. Dave's Virginia ancestors were likely the 17th century immigrants, transportees and indetured servants that made up the majority of the colony.

1. David Scott Mustaine Birth 13 Sep 1961in San Diego, California ---PARENTS 2. John Jefferson Mustaine Birth1 Aug 1922inLogan, Ohio Death25 Jun 1979inCosta Mesa, Orange, California, United States

3. Emily Marie David Birth14 Mar 1922inEssen, Essen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany Death25 Aug 1990inLake Elsinore, Riverside, California, United States of America GRANDPARENTS 4. Frank Leslie Mustaine Birth18 Apr 1887inLogan, Ohio, United States Death14 Aug 1964inTecumseh, Michigan, United States

5. Metta Marie Parker Birth13 Apr 1889inLogan, Ohio, United States Death16 Feb 1963inLima, Allen, Ohio, United States

6. Friedrich Otto August David Birth26 Nov 1896inTrzebiatkowa, Pomorskie, Poland Death5 Mar 1961inBerkley, Oakland, Michigan, United States

7. Hedwig Johanna Krause Birth27 Oct 1899inEssen, Essen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany Death10 Jul 1945inNew York, United States -GREAT GRANDPARENTS 8. Jefferson Keech Mustaine Birth16 Dec 1850inChampaign, Ohio, United States Death23 Aug 1926inLiberty, Logan, Ohio, United States

9. Adria Ellen Lucas Birth30 Apr 1857inMarshall, Highland, Ohio, United States Death15 Aug 1946inLogan, Ohio, United States -2x GREAT GRANDPARENTS 16. Meakin Ashley Mustaine Birth12 Jan 1820inShennandoah, Virginia, United States Death11 Sep 1899inChampaign, Ohio, United States

17. Mary Elizabeth Keach Birth25 Jun 1825inBethel, Dauphin, Pennsylvania, United States Death3 Aug 1874inBowling Green, Marion, Ohio, United States 3x GREAT GRANDPARENTS 32. Haley Mustaine Birth6 May 1787 /1789inPittsylvania, Virginia, United States Death12 Feb 1868inMarion, Marion, Ohio, United States [served in War of 1812, Pvt 2 CORPS D'ELITE (GREEN'S), VIRGINIA MIL.]

33. Elizabeth L Glenn Butcher Birth15 Mar 1791inLoudoun, Virginia, United States Death26 Jun 1866inMarion, Marion, Ohio, United States --4x GREAT GRANDPARENTS 64. Avery Mustain Birth26 Feb 1756inCamden Parish, Pittsylvania, Virginia, United States Death31 Aug 1833inCamden Parish, Pittsylvania, Virginia, United States [Served in the Revolution, recieved pension, 3 DAR applications from descendants]

65. Mary Barber Shelton Barber Birth29 Dec 1765/ 1755inPittsylvania, Virginia, United States Death1840 / 1843inPittsylvania, Virginia, United States --5x GREAT GRANDPARENTS 128. Thomas Mustain Birth1725inHalifax, Halifax, Virginia, United States Death21 Nov 1791inHalifax, Pittsylvania, Virginia, United States

129. Mary Haley Birth1722inPittsylvania, Virginia, United States Death1791inPittsylvania, Virginia, United States --6x GREAT GRANDPARENTS 256. Thomas Mustain Birth1678in Ireland DeathinVirginia, United States

257. Mary Averett Every Birth1700inWestmoreland, Virginia, United States DeathinVirginia, United States -7x GREAT GRANDPARENT 514. John Averett EveryEvry Birth1653inAvening, Gloucestershire, England Death1698inMadagascar

I hope that someone can find this of use, rather than relying on "he looks Welsh" or the name might be Finnish" --Louis Fallert — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.33.39.112 (talk) 08:50, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Obama comments
I've added this to the article, because I think it's worth noting: at a recent show in Singapore, Mustaine stated that the recent shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin were 'staged' by the Obama administration. Anyone else have any thoughts? Robofish (talk) 01:22, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * IMO, this (and much of the other content on the page) falls under WP:UNDUE and WP:RECENT. Wikipedia is neither an authoritative biography, nor a sensationalist tabloid meant to publish every dumb thing someone says. Ultimately, Mustaine's notability stems from his occupation as a musician, and I believe that is where the focus should be.
 * As for this particular instance, if he writes a song about a false-flag mass shooting thing or something staged by the Obama Administration and puts on the next Megadeth record, then fine, I think this would be notable then. Right now? I don't see how the inclusion of this helps the article. Frankly, in the last few years, I think this article seems to becoming more about Dave's political views and comments than his career as a musician.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:57, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It fails WP:UNDUE just for starters.--  SabreBD  (talk) 17:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I disagree, part of Mustaine's art is his rallying against what he sees as a corrupt system that is at odds with human freedom, I don't agree with him but I recognize it as a driving passion of who he is (and therefor feel it should be part of the article). Its similar to Ministry's Al Jorgenson's reactions to George Bush and the Republican party. Mustaine feels its necessary to present his convictions by making artistic and direct verbal statements to express them. Not including them seems like censoring out what we don't personally agree with rather than presenting what he has said about himself. Surely the ultimate authority of what Dave Mustaine stands for must be Dave Mustaine.--Wowaconia (talk) 18:28, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * After a little bit of consideration, I have somewhat changed my opinion on the matter, but it should really be in a "controversy" section or something. In any case, most of the stuff at the "politics" section really is trivial - for example, his endorsement/comments about Rick Santorum - I mean why is that important? There's still a lot of WP:UNDUE stuff in this article. Ultimately, I think the whole article needs re-written. In any case, before I get to far off track, I have changed my mind a little bit on the matter, but it really should be included in a "controversy" section.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 02:09, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Politics and controversy redux
I'm cleaning up the political views section. It just looks like crap, and alot of the stuff looks more like it was added for shock value. For example, noting that Mustaine has made derogatory comments about Mexicans in a 1988 interview is fine, but why do we need to quote a full paragraph? I made the change in a few other places, cleaning up excessive quotes, too. Also, Im really going to slim down the Rick Santorum section. Just because he supports or does not support a given politician does not make it notable, nor does the music media's slamming of him for supporting a mainstream (a bit on the edge of, but still mainstream nonetheless) political candidate.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:47, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Jackson Guitar
"This model uses Seymour Duncan SH-4 pickups, also known as TB-4 pickups." SH-4 and TB-4 pickups are different. TB-4 pickups are a version of SH-4 pickups with modified spacing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.14.172.48 (talk) 19:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

In the part w/ the jackson guitar, he didn't get a "Modified Rhoads V" he got a King V. afaik the King V was around before mustaine joined up, and also had 22 frets. The Rhoads V has a shorter lower horn, Dave never had that.

- That's not true. According to Grover Jackson Mustaine asked for a more aggressive version of Gibson's Flying V, and Jackson took two of the longer halves of the Rhoads body and created the King V. Mustaine liked it, but requested it be made with a 24 fret neck. The rest is history...

'''The "King V" existed as far back as 1984. Its original design was a modified Rhoads in which Robbin Crosby mirrored the bass side longer half on the treble side, making what is now known as the "King" V, named after "The King" Robbin Crosby. Mustaine did NOT invent the shape and Hetfield owned a King V a solid year before Mustaine even ordered his first one. I have copies of the work orders, I can prove it. Mustaines first King V with the Megadeth logo was serial number J2713, was ordered 8/26/86, Mike Shannon's job to add the 23rd and 24th frets added $300 to the bill. The guitar was completed 10/13/86. James Hetfields King V Custom was serial number J0706 and was completed on 5/24/85.

Get this straightened out because I will keep fixing the BOGUS information here until it sticks. Mustaine's first King V was really about the 200th one ever made, period, it is fact. I can prove it. I don't care if it doesn't fit Mustaines version, the facts are the facts. Robbin Crosby invented it, period. ''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.203.98 (talk) 03:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Politics & Religion
Dave Mustaine is Jewish. Where did all of you get Christian from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.232.41 (talk) 07:33, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Mustaine is a Christian Conservative with no party affiliation, he only voted for Bush based on the poor quality of the Democratic candidates. Hes made public statements about that and although his fans may not like it, thats the fact. UA is a perfect example of his views, right wing in the extreme in some areas. Considering Megadeth made great use of both topics in songs, it's just as relevant to include Dave Mustaine's transition both politically and religiously in 2002. If you don't think so, please bring this up. A couple anonymous users seem to be vandalizing the section (Injury and Retirement) a bit much. -Danteferno


 * Stop telling Lies about Dave's Political views. I'm sure He leads a private life now and has little need to waste his time with political issues. The job of the Rebellion is for the younger generation to continue. why do you think he continues to preach against Evil Doer's That make us fight each other. I hear also that You DANTEFERNO are a big history buff; my advice is to get an education in Histoy and stop watching the Hitler Channel...
 * 157.145.220.9, before participating on Wiki. discussions, you should really read up on No personal attacks. As for Mustaine "leading a private life" or having "little need to waste...time with political issues", the very public journal at the Megadeth website proves otherwise. -Danteferno

I took a stab at NPOV'ing this section (and retitling it). See what people think of the changes, most of which centered around the Bush/Kerry quote and the idea that Mustaine is now a hardcore Christian Republican; I'd characterize it more as having found a spiritual belief that has a core of Christianity, and he's no lockstep dittohead. Nae'blis 08:40, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


 * You got that right, Nae'blis. Most addicts never even make it to recovery, especially willingly, and of those who do, only a few of us make it very far. I know a guy from the program who had 18 years as a recovering heroin addict, relapsed and died. That's how it works if you don't stay on top of it everyday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.144.76 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Something should be said about this. It is an important part of his life. 67.49.249.169 02:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

He voted for Bush, but how does this make him a hardcore Republican? Seriously, alot of people voted for Bush because they considered him the lesser of two evils. You don't release an album called "The System Has Failed" and become biased towards one side of the political scale. - Steve

mustaine voted for bush? can you give me a link or something that can prove that? and if he voted for him then why did he have bush on megadeth's last album. and why would he bash bush like he does in interviews when he supposably voted for him?-nate


 * He said in an interview in Blender that he voted for him and he doesn't think he is a good president and has made a mockery of the office or something like that, but that he still was a better choice than Kerry. Dave doesn't seem to like politicians in general and I would say he just considered Bush to be the least sucky of the two candidates.--E tac 06:56, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

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Firing his guitar tech
I know that Willie G is/was Mustaine's guitar tech. So is he the one who got fired recently or is it another guy? They don't mention the tech's name in the news.--87.184.138.53 (talk) 16:27, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Dave's pre-Metallica bands
Should info be added about Panic and Fallen Angel? Dave talks about Panic here and Fallen Angels here. 69.225.234.228 (talk) 22:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * He talks about this in his biography so I think it would be an informative addition. CorryConcerts (talk) 17:33, 21 February 2016 (UTC)