Talk:Dave Sisler/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Staxringold talkcontribs 17:24, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * Some prose issues, very awkwardly worded sentences at times:
 * Link baseball the first time in the lead.
 * No citation for or use of his height/weight in the article.
 * That lead sentence is also a bit of a run-on and a bit hard to follow. I would remove the height/weight entirely or make it a separate sentence. Also would make it read "and was ocasionally used as a closer"
 * "when he completed a two year obligation" should be "after he completed".
 * "for who he played" Should that be "for whom"?
 * "and saved a career-high 11 games" extra space after 11.
 * "in 247 appearances" extra space again.
 * I would retitle "Early career" to "Early life" since it's not strictly career details.
 * Was it Dave or George who was "occasionally.. allowed to pitch" in the Dodgers' minors? Also the -ing forms make it read oddly. Assuming it was Dave I'd change it to: "He played baseball in high school and when he was 16 he went to work for his father who was a coach in the Brooklyn Dodgers organization. Dave kept statistics and was occasionally allowed to pitch."
 * "With his up-coming commitment to Princeton University, where he played both baseball and basketball, and future obligation for military service, the Dodgers did not envision a future with him and did not pursue a contract." Another awkward, run on sentence. And sounds passive-y. Why not just "The Dodgers did not envision a future with him and did not pursue a contract due to his commitment to Princeton and future military obligation."? And did they actually know about his military obligation at the time?
 * "And began the season with their parent club" is an odd way of saying what you're trying to say. Why not just say "After his military commitment, he re-joined the organization, and began the season with the Red Sox"?
 * Use "MLB" without it being abbreviated previously when originally used in the lead.
 * Why was his August 5th (my birthday!) start his "finest" game?
 * "On January 17, 1957, it was announced that Sisler was re-signed by the Red Sox." Very passive.
 * "Expected by the club to be a candidate for a slot in their pitching rotation, Sisler impressed his coaching staff during early spring practices, manager Mike "Pinky" Higgins commented that Sisler "looks good; he's more mature and shows more confidence"." Again reads oddly. Try "The Red Sox expected Sisler to be a candidate for a pitching rotation slot. He impressed his coaching staff.."
 * "Once the regular season began" Maybe change to "When" since you use initially right after.
 * "Although his ERA of 4.88 was considered high, due in large part to his loss against the Kansas City Athletics who scored six earned runs in just two innings." Huh? Why although? Should there be an "it" in there, like "Although his ERA of 4.88 was considered high, it was due in large part"?
 * "By pitching a total of nine hitless innings and allowing just one baserunner in 28 batters faced, including the last 27 in consecutive order, Sisler had began the 1958 spring training in spectacular form." Why so many sentences with this strange ordering? Just say "Sisler began 1958 spring training in spectacular form, pitching a total of..."
 * "with who his father" Should be whom again, I believe.
 * Extra space in April 16.
 * "Over the next two months, his innings pitched declined during his starts" I would say average innings pitched.
 * "Proving too erratic to start, and in three relief appearances, he had a 6.75 ERA in 6⅔ inning pitched, management decided that this along with the inexperienced pitching coming around too slowly, Sisler and Ted Lepcio were traded to the Detroit Tigers on May 2 for starting pitcher Billy Hoeft." Holy runon. Needs to be (at least) 2 sentences.
 * "At the time of the trade, the Tigers lost 15 of their first 17 games of the season, and decided that changes were needed, and in addition to the Sisler trade, they fired manager Bill Norman and replaced him with Jimmy Dykes." Needs both breaking apart and clarity (first couple times I read this as meaning they lost 15/17 after the trade). Try "The Tigers had lost 15 of their first 17 games of the season before the trade and decided that changes were needed. In addition to the Sisler trade they fired manager Bill Normal and replaced him with Jimmy Dykes."
 * Under Reds I would relink his brother's name, it's a long gap between the initial link and this mention.
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * Sad there are no images, but *shrug*.
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * Sad there are no images, but *shrug*.
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

- Thank you for the thorough review, I will finish these changes this weekend. You asked about my odd sentence structures... I can only say that I am not a great writer, try as I might. :) Neonblak talk  -  01:12, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I completed the changes you suggested. As far as the Dodgers knowing his up-coming military obligation, the reference seemed to suggest that. Besides its not a stretch to belive that at least one short converation happened where either he or his Dad mentioned his future.  I looked and looked for a free picture to use, not many copywrited or reserved rights pictures for that matter. Neonblak  talk  -  07:21, 6 March 2011 (UTC)