Talk:David Ames (researcher)

Rewrite
Nestek (talk) 09:17, 24 April 2018 (UTC) - Hi There - I will be rewriting this page over the next 2 weeks or so - if anyone has any information they would like to contribute please let me know or leave a note here. Cheers -- Editing Completed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nestek (talk • contribs) 04:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Assessment comments

 * Nestek. Looks okay to me - nothing really jumps out at me.  I am not sure that the Melbourne Uni crest adds anything, although I presume you included it because it represents a major slice of the subjects career?   I would float it right though.  You might use ISBN.  Note the tweaks already done by Rp2006.  Aoziwe (talk) 13:14, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Have removed the Melbourne university crest - it was there just to add colour and break up the text, but since the photo has been deleted in Wikimedia it looks odd by itself. Do we need to update the banner on the talk page to remove the stub classification? Nestek (talk) 00:24, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ - stub --> start. A more experienced editor might think it C but it needs just a bit more meat for that I think?  Aoziwe (talk) 12:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Yup makes sense - am hoping someone with more expertise in the area can flesh out his research to add that meat. Nestek (talk) 23:57, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Questions on Editing Choices
Hi I have a couple of questions 1. why remove the section on Other Research Areas as opposed to asking for citations - which is easy enough to do but with the works already referenced thought it would just become redundant. 2. The section on being a spokesperson was there to cover off Notability and the fact that he is widely regarded as an expert in his field - rather than just deleting the section how should this be approached? Nestek (talk) 06:47, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Unsourced content has no place whatsoever in an article about living people.  The "spokesperson" section was a lightly dressed up "In the media" section -- see Identifying_PR (and the rest of that page by the way). Jytdog (talk) 15:33, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

CV
Moving this here.

Wikipedia articles summarize. We don't replicate CVs here. See WP:NOTCV

Copied this here so it can be reworked into prose that summarizes his career.

Ames' association with the University of Melbourne spans more than 4 decades, starting as a student in 1972, before retiring from his full-time role to become Emeritus Professor in the department of psychiatry in 2016.
 * Career
 * University of Melbourne


 * 1989 - 1995      Senior Lecturer in psychiatry of old age and consultant psychiatrist at Royal Park and Royal Melbourne hospitals
 * 1994 - 1999      Chair, Undergraduate Education Committee
 * 1995 - 2005      Associate Professor in the Psychiatry of Old Age. Moved Broadmeadows Health Service from Royal Park Hospital in 1999
 * 2003 Onwards  Instigator and Examiner, Herbert Bower Prize (for high achieving psychiatry of old age students)
 * 2004 - 2013      Chair, Board of Studies for the teaching of rehabilitation, aged care, palliative care and psychiatry of old age to medical students.
 * 2005 - 2007      Chair of psychiatry of old age for the University of Melbourne at St Vincent's Health, St George's Hospital Kew
 * 2007 - 2015      Professor of Ageing and Health
 * 2016 - current   Emeritus Professor in Department of Psychiatry


 * Other roles
 * 2016 onwards - Part-time consultant psychiatrist at St George's Hospital, Melbourne Health and Epworth Camberwell, a research fellow at the Howard Florey Institute and a professorial fellow with National Ageing Research Institute (NARI)
 * 2012 - 2015 - Member Alzheimer's Disease Advisory Board, Eli Lilly (Australia)
 * 2011 - 2012 - Chief Medical Advisor, Alzheimer's Australia (Alzheimer’s Australia changed its name to Dementia Australia in October 2017)
 * 2007 - 2015 - Director NARI
 * 2006 - 2009 - Principal Investigator, Australian Imaging, Biomarkers and Lifestyle Study of Ageing (AIBL). Funded by Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO)
 * 2001 - 2002 - Member, Cardiac Safety in Schizophrenia Group, Cohn Wolfe
 * 2001 onwards - Member, Medical and Scientific Advisory Panel, Alzheimer's Disease International
 * 2000 - 2011 - Member, Novartis Exelon Advisory Board
 * 2000 - 2010 - Member, Janssen Dementia Care Advisory Board
 * 1999 - 1999 - Chair, Pfizer International Geriatric Advisory Board
 * 1997 - 1998 - Expert review consultancy to Commonwealth Government for National Psychogeriatric Unit Evaluation Study
 * 1996 - 2012 - Member, Alzheimer's Advisory Board, Pfizer Australia
 * 1995 - 2011 - Member, Board of Directors, International Psychogeriatric Association
 * 1994 - 1995 - Member, Psychotropic Drug Guidelines Sub-Committee, Victorian Drug Usage Advisory Committee
 * 1987 onwards - Consultant psychiatrist at Broadmeadows, Royal Melbourne, Royal Park and St George's Hospitals
 * 1990-1995 - Secretary, Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists, Section of Old Age Psychiatry
 * 1990-1995 - Secretary, Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists, Section of Old Age Psychiatry

Editorial roles

 * 1996 - 2017 - Book Review for IPA.
 * 2003 - 2001 - Editor-in-Chief International Psychogeriatrics Association (IPA) publication. Including Deputy Editor in 2002
 * 2011 - 2015 - Editorial Board member, International Review of Psychiatry.
 * 1987 Onwards - Editorial Board member, International Journal of Geriatric Psychiatry.
 * 1997-2015 - Member Editorial Board, International Journal of Psychiatry in Clinical Practice


 * Selected achievement


 * Chief Investigator on 17 grants, National Health and Medical Research Council.
 * 2017 - Only Australian of 24 collaborators for the Lancet Commission on Dementia report
 * 2013 - Guest editor, International Review of Psychiatry
 * 2012 - Assisted in organising The Research and Standardisation in Alzheimer's Disease (RASAD 2012) conference as head of AIBL. This was attended by 200 world experts on Alzheimer's disease. Ames also chaired a session on current issues in cognitive assessment for Alzheimer's disease as well as the closing address.
 * 2001 - Chair of the Organising Committee for the Joint Regional Meeting, International Psychogeriatric Association (IPA) and Royal Australian and New Zealand College of Psychiatrists (RANCP)
 * 1999 - Guest co-editor, Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry
 * 1988 - Co-Founder, Victoria's first Memory Clinic with Leon Flicker, which served as a model for the statewide Cognitive Dementia and Memory Service (CADMS) clinics, introduced in Victoria in 1998

-- Jytdog (talk) 16:38, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Replacing the removed material
Hi Nestek.

I see that another editor has gone through the article like a dose of salts, and while technically mostly correct, in my view rather agressively and unconstructively.

You did specifically ask for guidance by way of an assessment and what the editor should have done is told you what issues they saw, offered direction on how to fix the issues, and then let you go through and fix them. Instead they acted as though there was no one else interested in improving either the article or improving their editorship.

I would encourage you to steadily replace most, if not all, of the material. Yes some of it should be reformatted, and some of it needs references.

If you wish you can have a go at each section that has been removed and ask for my opinion before you place it back in to the article.

I should aplogise for not picking at some of the things the editor has now done so, but really the article was not that shockingly bad either.

Regards. Aoziwe (talk) 11:25, 18 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks Aoziwe appreciate the assistance will give it a shot over the next week or so and will put the reworked content under the headers above and then ping you to have a look. On a personal note I have a personal bias for information that is bulleted rather than in prose format - a bias I will have to work on over coming. Regards Nestek (talk) 11:33, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * By way of example only, Oscar Werner Tiegs has a mixture of prose, bullets, and tables. Aoziwe (talk) 11:39, 18 May 2018 (UTC)