Talk:David B. Barkley

Real or Not?
The following paragraph was recently on the page, but has since been removed. But there's nothing in the paragraph that cites anything proving the article is false. What's the story here guys? -- GIR 20:50, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * "''David Bennes Barkley (c. 1899-November 9, 1918) is a fictional United States Army private and flavor-of-the-minute Internet sensation whose identity was falsified by a group of nefarious Wikipedians after they found a poorly-Photoshopped picture of a disgruntled jug-eared soldier in dress uniform floating around the public domain graphics wasteland. The soldier's fake biography was, briefly, a popular link throughout the blogosphere when unknowning Wikipedia administrators promoted it as fact on the July 18, 2006 front page."

'' The statement above was vandalism to the page. The information is verifiable from a number of reliable sources. See the References section of the article. &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 23:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Now in BJAODN. --Dhartung | Talk 06:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Why does he look retarded?
Question. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.125.175.66 (talk • contribs) 20:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC) (UTC)

People who lay in state at the Alamo
Barkely was laid to rest in 1918. In 1917, Frederick Funston day in state at the Alamo. Since Barkley was the second, it is logical to conclude that Funston must have been first. Source: &mdash; ERcheck (talk) 15:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

POV tag
This article is not neutral because it mentions one part of his ancestry, but ignores the rest. His name is mostly non-Hispanic, so the inference is that his other ancestry is of less value. Honbicot 16:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This does not warrant a POV tag, maybe an expand tag to include his other ancestry. Please assume good faith and not that there is any inferences being made. Joelito (talk) 17:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The military and USG celebrate his Hispanic heritage, and it appears that his Anglo father abandoned the family anyway. He may have just grown up as "David Bennes", because he didn't take his father's name until enlistment. --Dhartung | Talk 17:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. His name is not an idicator of "Hispanic-ness" (Bernardo O'Higgins, anybody?). That the military has acknowledged it makes it NPOV to mention in the article -- Murcielago 18:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * He isn't notable because he is hispanic. He is notable because he is the first Hispanic medal of Honor winner.  He might also be the hundredth person of english (or whatever) heritage medal of honor winner, but there is nothing especially notable about that, just as there is probablly not an article about the hundredth hispanic medal of honor winner. I for one don't feel his non-hispanic heritage needs to be noted in the article, but I'm not going to complain if someone adds it.  -- GIR 20:53, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Is that picture really accurate? It looks like a joke to me.Rossheth 18:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

It looks like a homely fellow with a slightly crooked hat. But I agree, he would probably have looked a little sharper if he'd known he was going to be in Wikipedia 90 years later. . . Cranston Lamont 18:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, ok. It was the crooked hat that had me going.Rossheth 19:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

It has a certain hint of Prince Harry in it to me... --John24601 21:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I thought so, too. One of the reasons I asked if it was real. Rossheth

People looked weird back then. --201.22.55.156 21:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The picture looks completely fake. AscendedAnathema 22:32, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Anyone know where we can get a picture that doesn't look like a screencap from a video-game for the Mega Drive/Genesis? Crimson Shadow 23:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be grayscaled; the colorization obviously wasn't part of the original photo and adds nothing to its accuracy or information content. Postdlf 00:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The image used looks like a computer-rendered image or one that has been edited in a photoshop. The full-scale image shows this by having grainy textures (the uniform), overemphasized colors (the bright blue eyes), and areas that look like they have been cropped or displaced (the edge along his right ear).  The picture of this guy comes from here, while there are very few other pictures of him in circulation anywhere.  The picture of him from here appears to be another, higher quality, more original version of the same picture, as well as the website mentioning his precise birth-date.  I'm not going to doubt the authenticity of the picture or complain that he looks like Dopey, since he was from Texas, but the current version of him should be replaced with another.  — №tǒŖïøŭş  4lĭfė   ♫   ♪


 * Here's one in b&W, if anyone is inclined enough to do the work:

http://www.bragg.army.mil/82EO/Files/Culture%20&%20Observances/Hispanic%20American/Hisp%20MOH.pdf

Birth place
Was he really born in England? I don't see this in any of the biographical sources below and suspect somebody vandalised. Please clarify. Murcielago 00:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Verified it. He was born in Laredo, Texas. Made appropriate change. -Murcielago 00:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course it wasn't England. That was vandalism. --Dhartung | Talk 01:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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