Talk:David Beckham/Archive 4

101 caps?
he hasn't actually achieved 101 caps yet you idiots, he plays his 101st game against trinidad and tobago in case you didn't know that game hasn't been played yet. He hasn't achieved the cap, there is a possibility he won't get it, for all you know he could get food poisoning or break a leg on the way to the game. change that immediately! it would be like me now saying that you have already changed the mistake... 86.156.170.254 (talk) 21:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, perhaps yous should check your facts before you call people idiots, as you've made yourself look the idiot. He got his 100th cap against France back in March 2008, and his 101st against the USA earlier this week.  He was presented with a special cap to commenerate his 100 caps before that game.
 * Perhaps an apology is in order? Darkson (BOOM! An interception!) 22:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And in case you don't believe: http://www.davidbeckham.com/newsarticle.php?id=322&lastpage=1 Darkson (BOOM! An interception!) 23:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

New Picture.
I changed the main picture. I don't know whether or not it's more recent, but I feel that the quality is much better. It is my own work. If the rest of the editors feel that the previous pictures should be used. Please let me know. I will not be offended. Calebrw (talk) 17:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

david beckham
118.136.54.221 (talk) 04:54, 20 June 2008 (UTC) Do you know if david beckham ever played againts manchester united while he is in real madrid?
 * No, he did not. -Toon05 18:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Winger?
He is being desribed by an editor at the Midfielder article as a winger, any thoughts on this. CorleoneSerpicoMontana (talk) 13:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * While he does play on the right wing on paper, he can't really, IMO be described as a "winger" in the traditional sense of the word, simply because of his lack of "wing-play", i.e. running up the wing. While his crossing ability is definitely up there with the best of them, he definitely likes to come inside and plays a lot more centrally than a winger would. right sided midfielder is a better description. I remember at Real Madrid he nded up playing a more central midfield role at the time in a pretty narrow formation. -Toon05 13:43, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you should have a look at the winger section in Midfielder. There's a difference between a winger and a right midfielder. eg. Figo's a winger.

Vandalism
It didnt take them long 2 come back after the protection was lifted, did it? --JonBroxton (talk) 20:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, it didn't take them long at all. The page is semi-protected now but once it's lifted they'll be back at it again. Caden S  ( talk ) 08:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hence why I requested that the article be semi-protected indefinitely. I hope that is the case. – PeeJay 09:03, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Marriage in introduction
I don't understand why in the opening introductory paragraphs there is no mention of him being married to Victoria,when he is as famous for that as he is for his footballing skills.The Beckhams have got to where they are as a joint team who without eachother wouldn't be who and where they are today.So I have included that at the end... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.217.178 (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * David Beckham was notable before he met Victoria. He's gotten to where he is today through hard work and talent. The article reflects that. His marriage to Victoria is mentioned in the article. Caden S  ( talk ) 23:29, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Can someone doublecheck his Galaxy stats?
Infobox states he's played 25 league games for the Galaxy, whilst the statistics lower down the page (heading #5) says he's played 23 times. Can someone with knowledge of US football correct it either way? I would do, but I'd probably include the wrong games, and get a completely different figure! Darkson (BOOM! An interception!) 08:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Featured article status
Beckham is considered to be one of the great sportspeople in the world. Because of this, I think it would fit that a push be made to make it a featured article. Personally, I'm not really sure how to go about this, but any suggestions as to how to improve it would be appreciated.

For a start I think the opening section to the article needs condensing - Wiki guidelines suggest four paragraphs at most... Beckham's at present is six, and seemingly growing week by week. Pullshapes (talk) 20:02, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Considered to be one of the great sportspeople? Hell, David Beckham is the best! Case closed. In regards to your suggestion on a push to make it a featured article, I think that's a good idea. However, like you I dont know how to go about it. I think the best thing would be to ask others who are familiar with this. As for the opening section, it's over kill. Some of it can be taken out and placed in other sections. Caden S  ( talk ) 22:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, like for example why don't we remove this paragraph: "Alongside his career as a footballer, Beckham has gained a significant amount of fame and celebrity status through his marriage to former Spice Girl Victoria Beckham, leading to various sponsorship deals and advertising campaigns and an estimated joint wealth of £112 million.[12] The couple have 3 sons and currently reside in Beverly Hills, California." It's already mentioned in his Personal life section. Most of it anyway.  Caden S  ( talk ) 22:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you're wanting to make a case for featured status, check out the criteria. And once the article fits into that, look at the current candidates and nomination procedure. Latics (talk) 00:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Milan
DB at AC Milan from january 2009: AC Milan Site. --Kuviz (talk) 09:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * According to the BBC, it's a six-month loan deal. – PeeJay 09:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried to tell you that, but you undid all my edits...--Kuviz (talk) 10:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Because you didn't provide any sources the first time round, and I can't read Italian. – PeeJay 10:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt it will be 6 months. If that were the case, he would miss all of pre-season, and the first two months of the 2009 MLS season, which AEG and LA Galaxy will never allow. It's more likely to be 3 months - Jan-March. --JonBroxton (talk) 19:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the bbc source mentions no length of time, it only quotes milan stating for a few months, which it will be until march/april. --Rockybiggs (talk) 08:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, when it was first released, the BBC source explicitly stated that the loan was for six months. Obviously they must have changed it since then. – PeeJay 08:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There was an article on yahoo regarding David Beckham and AC Milan, I think somebody thought his deal was going to be extended. I DON'T THINK SO!!!! – Michael 00:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

MLS debut
Beckham's debut was not against the New York Red Bulls. It was against D.C. United on 9 August 2007. 76.111.67.200 (talk) 04:24, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what the article says... – LATICS   talk  22:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, in the 'Los Angeles' Galaxy section it does, but not in the very first opening section. It says that he made his first league start at Giants Stadium.  Only that needs to be fixed. 76.111.67.200 (talk) 04:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * His MLS debut was against D.C. United, coming on a substitute. However, his first start was against New York at Giants Stadium. – LATICS   talk  04:27, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I got mixed up with his start and his debut. Looks like you edited that.  I was going to but then there was an edit conflict, so you must have already done so. 76.111.67.200 (talk) 22:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

should the cption not be AC Milan and not Milan under his history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madarekrap (talk • contribs) 15:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, that would be like putting "Manchester United FC" instead of "Manchester United". – PeeJay 16:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Man U third in group in 94-95 UEFA Champs League group stage
The article read that Man U finished third because Barcelona beat IFK Gothenburg. However, according to the WP article, the two teams were tied in records in everything except goal differential. Looking at the records themselves, Man U won one and lost one with IFK, and Barcelona lost one and drew one with IFK, which means that Barcelona did not beat IFK, and thus that was not the reason ManU went third. Now, Man U did lose to Barcelona 0-4 after a draw to Barcelona, and the four goal differential would account for the eventual three goal differential (plus one), but I think it's very difficult to say from looking at the aggregate scores that one game was the difference maker, because it could just as well be the 0-0 draw Man U had with Galatasaray, or the 2-2 draw with Barcelona. In short, it is far too speculative, so I have removed it. MSJapan (talk) 23:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Too much information
"Beckham scored his first goal for Milan in the club's Serie A match against Bologna, his third appearance for the Rossoneri, on 25 January 2009, finishing off a move at the far post to extend Milan's second half lead to 4–1. In the next game against Genoa on 28 January 2009, Beckham scored as Fabio Capello watched on from the stands."... I mean, come on, this is an encyclopedia, there is way too much information in this part alone. In my opinion, the date (and maybe opponent) of his first Milan goal should be mentioned, but not "third appearance", ""finishing off...", "extend...second half lead" and so on. Those are facts, that are almost ridiculous to bring up here. So please, somebody who's familiar with him, edit it and make it more "encyclopedic" -- Zoidberg1388 (talk) 00:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

At Milan to stay...maybe?
Should it be noted that there has been word going around that AC Milan is extremely satisfied with Beckham and wants him to stay? It is true, especially with the two goals he's already scored in two games against Bologna and Genoa. 76.111.67.200 (talk) 02:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

New photograph for his AC Milan career
I'm suggesting that a new photo of Beckham during his AC Milan career be put the infobox. Thanks. 76.111.67.200 (talk) 03:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? The one currently in the infobox is one of the best quality photos Wiki has of most footballers. Just because he wears a Milan kit now isn't a good reason to replace the photo. – LATICS   talk  03:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Also note, we currently have no free photos of Beckham in a Milan kit (that I'm aware of). – LATICS   talk  03:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright. 76.111.67.200 (talk) 07:06, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Introduction
I have reorganised the introduction somewhat. I believe it reads better this way. Any disagreements please feel free to comment. Cider86 (talk) 15:00, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Set pieces
Reading the Rory Delap article and its brilliant bit about his throw-ins, I thought this should really have a section about Beckham's free kicks. They've been extensively discussed, so the sources/notability etc is there, and it is the biggest part of his game, and deserving of mention. 86.8.176.85 (talk) 12:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure such a section would enhance the article. Be BOLD and add it yourself if you like. Cider86 (talk) 15:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Temperament
The above section includes the statement "Beckham helped to keep Wayne Rooney's temper in check on several occasions" but the BBC page cited does not even mention Rooney. I don't doubt the truth of the statement but I think the citation should go so i'll change this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.23.54.142 (talk) 22:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * For some reason, the cite is still there and it's still completely wrong so removed it. Smoothy (talk) 12:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Projects out of Soccer
He is the voice for the Geico Geko, i think that should be put in there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmacie316 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What is the Geico Geko? – PeeJay 20:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's car insurance "mascot." I'm fairly certain that this is not him. – LATICS   talk  22:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That is absolutely, definitely not David Beckham's voice. – PeeJay 22:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * GEICO ad campaigns - apparently not. Beve (talk) 22:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Lead
22 citations in the lead. Is this a record? They should be in the article body. Parrot of Doom (talk) 01:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Play with the Galaxy for their first 2009 MLS match?
Will AC Milan make an agreement with the Galaxy to take Beckham back to Los Angeles to play for the Galaxy against D.C. United on Sunday? (their first 2009 MLS match) Or will Beckham stay in Italy for Milan's next away match to Napoli? 76.111.67.200 (talk) 20:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Not only would no team ever do that, but they couldn't even if they wanted to. faithless   (speak)  21:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

"Beckham is the first British footballer to play 100 champions league matches"
Bit pedantic but if this is correct it should at least read "WAS the first" - other players, such as Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes, have long since played 100 champions league matches, so the wording is misleading.--Tomsega (talk) 10:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Youth teams in infobox are incomplete
The youth teams listed in the infobox don't appear to be complete. Can someone with access to sources fill out his entire youth career if possible? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Category:FIFA Century Club
Can the above be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.114.177 (talk) 19:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Height
1.8 Metres isn't 6 feet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.208.242.8 (talk) 06:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. – PeeJay 10:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Outfield player
Well, he is the most capped player in England team, when you say he is the most capped outfield player though, it sounds like there's a goalkeeper who was capped more than him. There isn't, right?
 * Peter Shilton - 125.  BEVE  ( talk ) 19:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

ooops. sorry :D

It currently reads like he is the most capped player period whereas he is 10 behind Peter Shilton who played for 20 years, 1970-1990 compared to Beckham's 14, so far, which makes you think there were less games played back then.--109.76.249.202 (talk) 07:13, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it reads he's the most capped outfield player. – Latics (talk) 08:36, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Long Sleeve
"He often wears long sleeved shirts when playing football to cover his tattoos from those who may feel uncomfortable about them due to their beliefs." I believe this is not right because he has been wearing long sleeves before 1999, when, according to the article, he got his first tattoos.

No mention of the DB Academy?
Had a quick search and there's only the link at the bottom of the page.... Paulbrock (talk) 18:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

What are "Apps" ?
In the "statistics" table, what are "Apps"? Could we include a footnote to the table that says what this means? I guess most non-soccer fans would not know. 76.19.65.163 (talk) 20:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Apps is short for "Appearances". – PeeJay 21:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Milan appearances
The infobox states that Beckham has made 14 apps and scored 2 goals. But eurosport.yahoo.com states that he has played 18 games in the Serie A. Could someone change that in the infobox and in the statistics? - Matu94 21:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Tattoo Correction
Please Correct Translation to: "Life and death are inevitable. Riches and honor depend on the appointment of heaven." (Beckham is indicating with this tattoo that his talent, which yields "riches and honor", is a gift of heaven.) 66.235.38.49 (talk) 11:49, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

International Appearances Table
Why are there two columns - "score" and "result" - which seem to duplicate each other? --T.M.M. Dowd (talk) 09:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The "score" column is intended to give the match score when Beckham got his goal, while the result shows the score at the end of the match. – PeeJay 10:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It is sort of a weird trivia, that no one has ever scored after David Beckham in a international match :) chandler 10:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the facts may need checking, if that is the case, as I find it unlikely that no one has ever scored after Beckham in an international match. – PeeJay 12:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't the time the goal was scored be more relevant? --T.M.M. Dowd (talk) 08:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Both may be relevant, but the order in which it is scored is the most (only?) used way. chandler 20:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Damnit, I was going though it, but got stuck on the first one :< chandler 20:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * So now every goal is fixed as they should. chandler 21:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Preston North End
Do Beckham's appearances for Preston North End count as league apps? If they do, then the career total should be 434 games and 87 goals for United in total. - User:Matu94 9:58, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * His apps while on loan at Preston are league apps, but for Preston, obviously, not Man Utd! GiantSnowman 17:53, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Category:English Jews
Why is Beckham in this category? He may describe himself with some Jewish ancestry, but he certainly isn't Jewish! Govvy (talk) 17:46, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not Jewish, so I'm no expert, but I thought that Judaism was passed down through women i.e. if his mother's mother was Jewish, then he would be. As it is, it was his mother's father who was Jewish, so surely Beckham doesn't technically qualify...GiantSnowman 17:51, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Correct, I just removed the category, was just surprised to see it there I guess. Govvy (talk) 19:02, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Surely Judaism can be "passed down" from either parent? I know it's traditional that it goes down the maternal line, but if Beckham identifies himself as "half-Jewish" then I would suggest that he probably does belong in the English Jews category. – PeeJay 19:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There are a few problems to state in the article, even know he says he feels he is "half Jewish" it also states that he went to Church with his parents. If his parents denounced being Jewish that doesn't help and another important fact is that he hasn't had a Barmitzvah. He clearly doesn't belong in the category on these notes. Govvy (talk) 18:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * For lack of a better word, he IS "genetically" jewish, whether it be by mother or father (in this case father). There are plenty of half-jews from father in this category, such as Ben Stiller and Jane Seymour.  Plus he says he identifies as jewish, so... I think what he says goes. BTW be sure to add him to List of Jewish footballers and Athletes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.61.135.233 (talk) 05:57, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Not on team of the tournament
David Beckham was not on the 1998 FIFA World Cup Team of the Tournament. --Brian4ManUtd (talk) 00:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Childhood and early career
I find the second sentence of the section "Childhood and early career" very awkward, it doesn't read well at all. It currently says: "He is the son of David Edward Alan "Ted" Beckham (b. Edmonton, London, July–September 1948), a kitchen fitter, and wife (m. London Borough of Hackney, 1969) Sandra Georgina West (b. 1949), a hairdresser." It's contains way too much information with way too much detail stuffed in between, after every second word is either a bracket or a comma. I recommend something along the lines of: "He is the son of kitchen fitter David Edward Alan "Ted" Beckham (b. Edmonton, London, 1948) and his wife, hairdresser Sandra Georgina West (b. 1949). The couple were married in the London Borough of Hackney in 1969." 94.212.31.237 (talk) 12:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with what you proposed. If no-one has any objections I'll go ahead and change it in a day. -- Scythre Talk Contribs 14:44, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from 124.180.200.145, 1 April 2010
In the opening paragraphs of Beckhams account it states that he has the most caps for any British player in the Champions League. This is not true, and the reference given (reference 7) makes no mention of this achievement.

124.180.200.145 (talk) 15:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks. It reads "...most-capped outfield player..." which is almost verbatim from the source. Celestra (talk) 15:51, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict; darn. Looks like I'm agreeing with the above though)


 * I do not see anywhere that ref 7 is used to assert any fact about caps. It is used in 4 places;


 * Twice runner-up for FIFA World Player of the Year
 * Beckham was the first British footballer to play 100 Champions League matches.
 * Beckham's career began when he signed a professional contract with Manchester United, making his first-team debut in 1992 aged 17.
 * During his time there, United won the Premier League title six times, the FA Cup twice, and the UEFA Champions League in 1999.


 * The fact that I see regarding caps says, He is currently England's most-capped with 115 appearances. - and this is bourne out by the reference.


 * I may be missing something; if so, please clarify your request, and state which exact part of the article you disagree with (and reinstate the request).  Chzz  ►  16:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Assistant Coach?
this shouldnt be listed as Assistant coach but as part of the England staff. He has no specific coaching duties, nor is he qualified to do so Smithdan86 (talk) 20:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

david beckham
why david beckham is not there in england squad foer fifa world cup 2010? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.174.28 (talk) 09:57, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

David Beckham is still recovering from an injury picked up during the this season, he is therefore unfit to represent England at the FIFA 2010 World Cup. Beckham is still traveling to South Africa with the squad in a non playing role Smithdan86 (talk) 12:59, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 86.3.1.141, 20 April 2010
Please change File:David-Beckham3.jpg to http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images-3/David-Beckham-3.jpg because the existing picture is not good.

86.3.1.141 (talk) 22:17, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: File is not uploaded. Please see Files for Upload to deal with that before requesting here. -- &#47; MWOAP &#124; Notify Me &#92; 22:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * We cannot use that file anyway. It is clearly not free. Furthermore, I see nothing wrong with the current image. – PeeJay 22:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

It's not a very complimentary photo; my son suggested that it wasn't even Beckham. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.158.198 (talk) 23:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)