Talk:David Beckham/Archive 5

Edit request from Timfrost, 15 June 2010
Please change "I'm coming there not to be a superstar." to "I'm coming there not to be the superstar." Main source: At approximately 3:03 of the video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=611758697541500666# Also: http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/12/cnr.06.html

Timfrost (talk) 21:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: the ESPN piece cited in the article quotes him as saying "a superstar." I agree that the video sounds like he says "the superstar," but there's clearly enough room for interpretation that even published sources can differ on it. Tim Pierce (talk) 22:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I hear "a superstar" from the video. But ya, not enough to differ. -- &#47; DeltaQuad &#124; Notify Me &#92; 22:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Jemandtash, 24 June 2010
david beckham loves natasha purcell

Jemandtash (talk) 11:05, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Spigot  Map  12:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Sk33ve, 24 June 2010
Please change height in the Right hand side box - it lists him as 69ft tall, following the stated reference to soccerbase, it states he is 6ft 0

Sk33ve (talk) 14:12, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Algebraist 15:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect Height (Unless he is an Atomic Mutant)
Can the height section be corrected I'm sure monsueir Beckham is not 69 Ft ( 21 metres) tall —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.103.146 (talk) 14:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Photo Error Request for a Change
There's a photo on this page under Beckham's loan to Milan. It's of him clearly wearing a Real Madrid jersey (with "bwin" across the front), but the caption read's that it's a photo of him playing for Milan. Please change that.

96.35.175.130 (talk) 04:08, 5 July 2010 (UTC) Jack
 * What are you talking about? The only picture under the Milan subheading is of Beckham in a Milan shirt. – PeeJay 07:38, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

World Cup Squad
I have edited the International career to include the fact that Beckham may not have been selected for the 2010 World Cup squad regardless of whether he was fit or not. It is not a fact that Beckham was unable to play for England because he was injured, it is highly possible that he wouldn't have been able to play for England becasue Fabio Capello would not have selected him fotr South Africa. I have included info on other footballers who could have been selected.
 * Erm, it is a fact that Beckham was unable to play because he was injured. You are right, though, that he may not have been selected even if he was fit. Nevertheless, the whole point in Beckham being loaned to Milan for the last two seasons was so that he could prove himself eligible for selection for the World Cup. There's been no evidence to suggest that Capello wouldn't have selected him. – PeeJay 13:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Place in satire?
DB is frequently portrayed by English Satirists as kind hearted but a little vacuous. You would never know that from his Wikipedia entry. Seems to be a chunk of cultural context missing. 125.134.236.241 (talk) 16:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Better picture?
Surely, out of the plethora of photos of David Beckham, we can find a better one than that which is the main one at ? Feudonym (talk) 03:29, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm concerned, the criteria for profile pics of a living person biography article should be within the same year, and should be in profile position, ie, showing the face. The pictures of Becks that are better were taken in 1998, 2000 etc, which does not depict the 'current him'. This is the best 'recent photo' (2007) that shows his face well. But feel free to find a replacement. Instead of accusing us of not doing anything, do it yourself. bigforrap (talk) 09:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Marriage?
No offense, but the part detailing David's wedding is a little alarming. "...and her name changed to Victoria Beckham." Clearly, she doesn't use Adams anymore, but why is that so important to have to include to his article and not the other 500,000 people who most likely have already changed theirs (as is the Western custom) or live with or wed females who did? Also, the thing about their first-born son being four months old when they were married, okay, no. It clearly lists the children's birthdates, so we can figure they probably popped before they were married (March and July 1999). Estheroliver (talk) 18:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Forgot to add: the article is protected "only for established users [to edit]". Estheroliver (talk) 20:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Cost of Beverly Hills home
From the §Los Angeles Galaxy:

"In April 2007, he and wife Victoria bought an $7.5 million house in New York City"

From the § Personal Life:

"In April 2007, the family purchased their new Italian villa in Beverly Hills, to coincide with Beckham's transfer to the Los Angeles Galaxy in July. The mansion, priced at $22 million, is near the homes of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, and talk-show host Jay Leno, in an exclusive gated community in the hills overlooking the city." Dick Kimball (talk) 18:23, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Western Conference 2010
Just thought I'd mention that the bit listing the Western Conference in 2010 as one of his honours is wrong. The Western and Eastern Conference titles are awarded based upon their play off series not regular season record. The regular season record is only used to determine play off qualifiers and Supporter's Shield winners. The Galaxy's 2009 Western Conference title is based upon them winning the Western play offs and not finishing top of the Western Conference (which they did). So the 2010 Western Conference title is still up for grabs in the next few weeks. 82.11.8.104 (talk) 15:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Kurdish grandfather?
Beckham's one grandfather is a Kurdish. Also, Beckham is actually a Kurdish family name,originally Bekamis tribe from Kurdistan. In one reporter he said that he is proud to be Kurdish and his role model is Barzani. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.109.99.146 (talk) 22:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Tottenham
Should we add his loan to Tottenham or is it just not official yet? 75.5.79.63 (talk) 18:15, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Wife's underwear
What happened to this information? Mrs. Beckham's interview in which she said that David likes to dress in her underwear was widely reported. Why has the information been removed from here? As this is an unusual practice it is worthy of inclusion as a peculiar attribute of David. awesome no one cares —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.227.97.253 (talk) 14:09, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 182.239.169.234, 20 January 2011
Recently Beckham has been training with Tottenham Hotspur to improve his match fitness during the close-season of the MLS

182.239.169.234 (talk) 02:19, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Requests to edit semi-protected articles must be accompanied by reference(s) to reliable sources. If you can supply such a reference, please reinstate your request. Thanks,  Chzz  ► 09:05, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

why was beckham crictised as uk captain
Bold text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.199.103.83 (talk) 04:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Man Utd testimonial?
I can see Beckham playing with Manchester United on Gary Neville's farewell match against Juve, any information on this? --MrEskola (talk) 20:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

incorrect information
Beckham was the fourth englishman to play for Real Madrid, the missing 3rd englishman was Michael Owen - not mentioned in the text. 72.207.62.72 (talk) 19:43, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Beckham played centre-midfield in United's FA Cup final win over Newcastle United and for the 1999 UEFA Champions League Final against Bayern Munich, since United's first string centre-midfielders Paul Scholes and Roy Keane were suspended for the match.

That is incorrect, Beckham didn't not play central midfield in this game.

Roy Keane was not suspended and played the first 10 minutes before being injured and replaces by Teddy Sheringham.

Paul Scholes, like Keane, was no suspended and infact scored the second goal of the game.

Awful.

Don't know how to change it. Some else do it.
 * I'll remove the bit about the FA Cup final because it looks like it was ham-fistedly shoved in by a rank amateur. However, Beckham did play centre-mid after Keane was subbed; Sheringham came on for Keane, Beckham moved to centre-mid and Solskjaer moved to the right wing. So actually, Beckham did play centre-mid for the majority of the 1999 FA Cup Final. – PeeJay 02:31, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Beckham's Date of Death was Tuesday, 20 September 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lpowers12 (talk • contribs) 05:55, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Date of Death? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derekjc (talk • contribs) 13:11, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
 * A hacking Twitter/tweet rumor. See the "Personal History" section below. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 01:33, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Photos
There are way too many photos here. It makes it more like a Tiger Beat article than an encyclopedia piece. Every sections seems to have a different image of Beckham on the field. I believe that wikipedia guidelines caution against needless photos. PurpleChez (talk) 03:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I counted 11 photos. All but one are generic photos of Beckham playing. Two are fairly wide angle shots, in which he is little more than a big dot. In contrast the article on Joe Namath has a single picture in the info box. PurpleChez (talk) 04:00, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with that? If they're good pictures, why not add them? It's not like they've been consolidated into a gallery at the bottom of the page; they've been spread around fairly well, IMO. The bad ones could be deleted, but most of them look pretty good. – PeeJay 21:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Most look fine. It's just that after a few good photos an additional five or ten don't add anything. Most are just sort of generic. I counted eleven photos of Mrs. Windsor in the entire article on Queen Elizabeth II, but there was at least a lot of variety. And, as I said, I think that there is a Wikipedia policy against unnecessary or excessive use of photos...but I'm not sure.... PurpleChez (talk) 15:38, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ask yourself: "If you please the WP readers, do you please the WP editors?" . . . Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:45, 21 November 2011 (UTC) . . . Hopefully, YES!
 * A truly emotional photo I would like to see added (if someone can find it) is David Beckham and his sons right after winning 2011 NSL cup. They ran up, David gave a rub to the head of his tallest, eldest son, his youngest ran and hugged his Dad's legs.  WP needs videos.  Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 01:30, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Formatting
It seems that the footnote in the Statistics Section has affected the subsequent text size. Derekjc (talk) 13:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Personal Info-Sept 2011 rumours
Section needs to be updated to reflect that he in fact did not die in a crash. Paragraph appears to have been written in the present tense, as the event unfolded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevadian (talk • contribs) 18:36, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip. I have shortened the paragraph and added that Beckham wins yet again. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 01:23, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

2012 — Staying with Galaxy in L.A.
Breaking news in Los Angeles this morning (2012-JAN-03) is that David Beckham is staying with the Galaxy. "Beckham does not want to uproot [his] family from Los Angeles" http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/David-Beckham-closing-in-on-new-LA-Galaxy-deal-despite-personal-call-from-PSG-boss-Carlo-Ancelotti-article848537.html. . . Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:45, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Here's another link today: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/03/leonardo-david-beckham-paris-stgermain?newsfeed=true. . . . Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:45, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The only certain fact at the minute is that Beckham will not be joining Paris Saint-Germain. Discussions between Beckham and PSG have concluded and the only current negotiations are between Beckham and LA Galaxy, but he still may join another club. – PeeJay 17:09, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Still here (L.A.) I guess Victoria likes it here. Truly, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 03:10, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Assists
This needs to be either completely overhauled or removed, as only a cursory viewing of the numbers in the table is required to see that it is wildly inaccurate. Better to have it taken down or at the very least leave the places where it is incorrect put with a question mark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.136.183.130 (talk) 00:18, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

OCD
As someone who has suffered from full-blown OCD I find it annoying that Beckham says he has it merely to capitalise, by saying he has the affliction. As if it makes him in some way "unique" - interesting in any way at all. Having to put your clothes/magazines straight is NOT OCD. OCD is a majorly debilitating condition which in many cases leads to the sufferer performing un-natural actions which make that person look mad and interferes with performance in every stage of life.
 * As with any medical condition, OCD can manifest in varying degrees of severity. Perhaps Beckham only suffers from a mild form of OCD? How do you know he hasn't been diagnosed by a professional psychologist? I'm sure it's a very difficult condition to live with, but who are you to say that Beckham doesn't have it? – PeeJay 23:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Armani Underwear and H & M Underwear Ad Campaigns
Why is there no mention of the successful David Beckham Armani Underwear Ad Campaign or the the current H & M Underwear Ad Campaign featuring David Beckham? The article mentions his fragrance ads but no mention of the Armani and H & M ads. Caden cool 04:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * david beckham is a mint footballer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.10.9 (talk) 18:19, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


 * "In September 2011, Beckham was rumored in Twitter tweets to have died in a car crash. It was said that the 36-year-old lost control while driving a friend's vehicle on Interstate 80 and rolled the vehicle several times killing him instantly. Since, in November, he assisted in the winning Los Angeles Galaxy drive to capture the 2011 Major League Soccer Cup, reports of demise are premature." does not need to be in the article. Unsourced, untrue and irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.2.41 (talk) 13:25, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was looking for a serious or valid response as to why the article ignores the Armani and H & M campaigns.  Caden  cool  22:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Style of play?
It may well be included in the whole of this long article, but I think it might be useful to have a brief section specifically about Beckham's style of play.Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 03:09, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

'Back, Sack (Sac) and Crack'
What happened to this information?


 * Information reinstated from 15/Jan/2007 version, still valid...

There should be a mention of the well-established slang phrase to which he gave rise: "back, sack and crack", refering to waxing of his back, scrotum and the crack between his buttocks to remove hair. Also, to the infamous interview with Victoria Beckham (aka 'Posh Spice') in which she referred to his propensity for dressing up in her underwear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.209.171 (talk) 08:06, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 April 2012
I would like to place this notice=

overly detailed

This should be understandable I hope.

Jaberwokkee (talk) 13:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems like a most of the stuff in the article is relevant to his career on and off the field. Are there any specific portions that are too overdetailed that can be discussed? --MuZemike 23:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ❌.  Rcsprinter  (tell me stuff)  11:39, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Jaberwokkee. Which sections do you feel are overly detailed? By the looks of the article I'd say it's complete overkill from beginning to end but that's just my opinion. I'd like to help you out but I'd need you to tell which parts you think are too much.  Caden  cool  13:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

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Edit request on 8 June 2012
In subsection : "SECOND LOAN SPELL AT MILAN".

On 16 February 2010, Beckham played against Manchester United for the first time since he left the club in 2003. He played 76 minutes of the match at the San Siro – which ended 3–2 to Manchester United – before being substituted for Clarence Seedorf.[111] Beckham returned to Old Trafford for the second leg of the tie on 10 March 2010; he did not start the match, but was brought on for Ignazio Abate in the 64th minute to an positive and emotional reception from the Manchester United fans, which was reciprocated when Beckham covered his face upon coming on to cover his sentimental tears. The score was 3–0 for United at that point and the tie was all but decided. The match was the first time Beckham had played against Manchester United at Old Trafford and saw him create several scoring opportunities via crosses and corner kicks, but Manchester United dominated Milan and beat them 4–0, winning the tie 7–2

Cosiestturnip (talk) 01:22, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mdann52 (talk) 16:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Number of League goals for Man-U erroneous
As per the biobox, David Beckham has scored 85 league goals in 265 appearances for Manchester United, whereas, in truth, he has only scored 62 league goals in 265 league appearances for Manchester United(refer statistics lower down in the page). 85 is the total number of goals he scored across all competitions, which came in 394 appearances. Kindly rectify the error in the biobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.61.91.109 (talk) 13:52, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Can someone add the number of assists in the stats table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.49.34.0 (talk) 14:47, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Removal of The Econmist ref and associated sentence
I've gone ahead and removed the following sentence and the reference supporting it:
 * The cost of his signing was spread evenly among the then 14 MLS teams rather than picked up just by LA Galaxy because the goal was to boost the standing in America of professional soccer as a whole, against the country’s indigenous sports.

The reason for this removal is because the article is categorically wrong. Here is a link to the article in question:. The biggest error is that it includes the claim that Beckham was paid $250 million for 5 years. This was discredited within months of the 2007 press conference announcing Beckham's signing when the MLS Players' Union published the salaries for the league's player and listed Beckham's salary at $6.5 million. The number was further discredited in Grant Wahl's book, The Beckham Experiment, where it was revealed $170 million of the $250 million was what Beckham's team expected to be increases in endorsement deals due to Beckham's move to the US. Additionally, the sharing of Beckham's salary is, again, refuted by Wahl's book and is a basic misunderstanding of the designated player rule, where the league paid the first $400,000 of Beckham's salary and AEG paid the remaining $6.1 million. --Bobblehead (rants) 03:28, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Lead
The lead now looks laughable for not even mentioning Beckham's status in the world of fashion and advertising. He is arguably more famous for his advertising power and fashion than he is for playing football, certainly in the states. The "global brand" thing which was previously in the lead should be restored. I know he is essentially a footballer but c'mon its a massive part of his identity.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:37, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Retirement
Beckham hasn't really retired from international football has he? cos in the box on the right, it dates his international career as being from 19xx-2009... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.226.24 (talk) 03:59, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

No he has not. He today announced that he would retire at the END OF THIS SEASON. Not Immediately.86.8.80.137 (talk) 16:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

A factual inaccuracy
Trevor Francis was not the first Englishman to win three league titles in different countries. Indeed I don't think he won any league titles anywhere. Trevor Steven; formerly of Everton and Rangers was. England, Scotland and France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.225.152 (talk) 22:01, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Assists
In the lead it states that he is one of the top assist providers in the Premier League with 152 assists. Although Beckham definitely provided many assists for Manchester United, I honestly question the accuracy of the source cited. It is possible that the term "assists" in this case is used to describe "goalscoring opportunities created" as well as penalties or other set pieces that were won by Beckham, from which another player scored (also unlikely as he was the number one choice.) The issues are, however, that: 1. The term "assist" in this particular context is not defined; 2. The statistics referenced for other players also do not match other official sources (e.g. Rooney is listed as having provided 126 assist, when in reality he has assisted around 83 goals in the premier league, I believe - another source states that Beckham has provided 44 assists in the Premier League.) therefore I think this information should be removed from the article as it seems inaccurate and the source appears to be unreliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Messirulez (talk • contribs) 08:44, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

http://www.statbunker.com/football/ktg/index.php?PL=ktgalltime&Code=EPL&statType=assist

This is a site (although probably just as dubious in reliability) that shows different assist numbers, although they have not recently updated, the numbers seem to be more in line with espn assist tallies for certain players. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Messirulez (talk • contribs) 07:13, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * We definitely should update the statistics chart to include assists. 69.136.131.33 (talk) 18:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)