Talk:David Beckham/Archive 6

External link to Facebook
Under the guidelines, I believe the link to Facebook in the external links section should not be allowed?

WP:LINKSTOAVOID Sites that require payment or registration to view the relevant content, unless the site itself is the subject of the article, or the link is a convenience link to a citation.

Sites that are inaccessible to a substantial number of users, such as sites that only work with a specific browser or in a specific country (Facebook is actually blocked in a number of countries and as a registered site is not accesible to all)

Social networking sites (such as Myspace and Facebook), chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), Twitter feeds, Usenet newsgroups or e-mail lists

Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception for blogs, etc., controlled by recognized authorities is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people.) (Facebook is a personal webite) Brancoady (talk) 22:44, 4 March 2013 (UTC). Beckham also stated he was a homosexual and loved men with large cocks.

david beckham
recently david beckham joined the arsenal club... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.122.81 (talk) 07:11, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * He's training with Arsenal; has not signed for them. JMHamo (talk) 01:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Although this is obviously a very ill informed initial post, it may be worth mentioning in the initial paragraph that he has spent time training with Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur in the past, whilst never actually signing for them? There could be other people confused about this fact - and it could be a common reason for visiting the page (to check all teams he has been associated with?) Brancoady (talk) 22:49, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 August 2013
David Beckham has written an autobiography "MY SIDE"

Shrees1234 (talk) 11:28, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please provide a Reliable Source for this first... JMHamo (talk) 11:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

GA/FA
This article surely has to be a contender for GA or even FA status based on its length and number of sources alone. However, I am worried that there is perhaps too much info in the section(s) about his club football career. I haven't had a chance to read it properly either, so there may be the odd unsourced or POV statement that has slipped through the net. Either way, I don't think it would take too much work from a committed individual to get this to at least GA standard. – PeeJay 10:33, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 January 2014
In the section Discipline, subsection Bookings, there is a sentence: "Beckham's most notorious red card was during the 1998 FIFA World Cup after Argentina's Diego Simeone had fouled him: Beckham, lying face down on the pitch, hit the defender with his leg, who fell dramatically." Diego Simeone is not a defender, he played as a midfielder. Can someone please change the word defender to midfielder. Thanks. 139.194.33.166 (talk) 08:26, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done buffbills7701 18:45, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Taliban attack
There needs to be some trustworthy links for this speculation - the only report making the suggestion was in the Daily Star; a joke of a newspaper in the UK. It regularly manufactures false stories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FixupLooksharpDark (talk • contribs) 00:17, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2014
Please include this photograph taken by the dailymail.co.uk of David Beckham playing for Paris Saint-Germain in the section of Beckham's wikipedia page "Paris Saint-Germain and retirement" http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/02/25/article-2283968-1840D811000005DC-431_634x434.jpg

Juninholyon (talk) 18:20, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That image is copyrighted; wikipedia only uses free media. See WP:NFC. Nici  Vampire  Heart  19:10, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2015
I do not believe it is appropriate to add the prostitute part. That is a cheap and trashy addition. Shame on whoever added that, why ruin his character or hers?

192.30.131.98 (talk) 21:02, 13 March 2015 (UTC) 02:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Malaria no more
He's no longer part of the administration of Malaria no more as he was when it was founded in 2007. The information is now out of date. --Snackbag (talk) 18:38, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you any reliable source to indicate he is no longer anything to do with this organisation as he is prominently mentioned on their website?--Egghead06 (talk) 18:41, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * As Egghead06 says do you have any source? Currently everyone is "opposing". QED237&#160;(talk) 18:44, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it requires a staggering degree of self-delusion to think that no one is "opposing" you, Snackbag. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 18:46, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

That information is our of date. He is now on their web site only as a "Supporter". He was part of the administration back in 2007 and for several years afterwards. What evidence do you have that he still is ??? Neither you nor anyone else has provided any. --Snackbag (talk) 18:59, 13 May 2015 (UTC) The claim presently being true must be substantiated but isn't. --Snackbag (talk) 19:01, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


 * There is absolutely nothing in the usage instruction for Template:infobox person which says the person has to be an admistrator. Is merely says "organization	Non-employing organization(s), if relevant." The need to be an administrator is your interpretation alone.--Egghead06 (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Read WP:BURDEN, Snackbag, and come back with evidence that he isn't part of the organization. The official website does not describe him as a "supporter", but as "Leadership Council Member". Even if he wasn't part of the organization any more, then it still wouldn't justify its removal, but merely a note to show the years he was active for. I don't know if you're a troll, or if you're incompetent, but it's clearly one of these two. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 19:14, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Company check details the directors and administrators of Malaria no More. Beckham is very plainly NOT one of them. http://companycheck.co.uk/company/06648679/MALARIA-NO-MORE-UNITED-KINGDOM/directors-secretaries I don't know if you're a Beckham obsessive or a troll but it's obviously one of these ! --Snackbag (talk) 19:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

You have been very deceitful. It does NOT describe him as a "Leadership council member". It describes him as a "FOUNDING Leadership Council Member. He WAS part of the administration at the outset in 2007 but according to Companies House is no more. The article is therefore out of date. It is like the ignoramuses who still describe him as a footballer, even though he retired 2 years ago. --Snackbag (talk) 19:33, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * So yeah, you're incompetent. No one ever said he was a director or an administrator. The fact he was never shown on that link that you are clinging to shows just how crap your evidence is. And, no, the main web page specifically describes Beckham as a Leadership Council Member, and it does so again here. If you're being forced to insert words in places where they were never present previously, then you should not be editing Wikipedia. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 19:37, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

You're such a fool. I assume you are one of the Beckham obsessives who has no regard for the facts. You should not edit WP when you do not adgere to the facts. The page you linked to VERY plainly refers to him as a FOUNDING leadership council member. He was a council member when it was FOUNDED in 2007 - not now. You do understand what founding means don't you. You are such a liar by claiming I have inserted the word "founding" It is there in black and white on the very page you linked to : "From our two FOUNDING Leadership Council Members". How can you be so deceitful to claim the word "founding" was inserted when it is very plainly on the page you yourself have linked to. --Snackbag (talk) 19:46, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Look, if we are so obviously wrong as you say, why are you unable to provide proof that we are wrong? Is it because, ooh, I dunno, it doesn't exist? Go on, scroll down to the passage of text below David Beckham's image - you know, to the right of “No father anywhere should lose his child to malaria.” Notice how there is no reference to him being a former representative? Yeah, exactly. If you're a troll, get a life. If you're incompetent, please find something more suiting your level to do. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 19:50, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Troll and fool - If you claim him to be a CURRENT administrator of Malaria No More it is up to YOU to provide evidence of it. That is what WP requires. He was there at the outset in 2007. According to official records he is not listed as director or administrator  --Snackbag (talk) 20:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No one has ever claimed him to be an administrator, past or present - he is a leadership council member Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 20:21, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

According to law, it is a legal obligation for anyone who has any administrative role with a charity to be registered with Companies House and for that charity to be registered with Companies House. It would be illegal if they are not. "Leadership council member" is simply another phrase for administrator. According to Companies House Beckham is NOT a director, company secretary, administrator, or officially part of the organisation in any respect. It is his agent "Simon Fuller" who is a director NOT him. Even if Simon Fuller is acting by proxy, Beckham has no official part of the organisation himself. It is there in black and white on what is a legal register at Companies House. It can not be possible to be closer to the official facts than Companies House. The information on the Malaria web site is dated and misleading.Most people have heard of Beckham but most people have not heard of Fuller. So Beckham's role has been exaggerated. He has no official role and is not part of the organisation as is claimed. --Snackbag (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

WP:BLPPRIMARY prohibits us from using sources such as that from Companies House unless published elsewhere. 20:43, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

It is not necessary to use it. It is up anyone claiming that Beckham is officially part of Malaria No More to produce hard evidence of that - but nobody has, quite simply because he isn't. Somebody who donates to Oxfam is not part of the organisation. --Snackbag (talk) 21:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


 * You seem to miss the point. Nowhere in the instructions for that field in that infobox does it say the person HAS to be an administrator or director.--Egghead06 (talk) 04:36, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Los Angeles
According to the article he was playing for Los Angeles Galaxy between 2007-2012. Therefore he was resident there for 11 months of the year ! --Snackbag (talk) 14:50, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No, no it doesn't. Players frequently live in completely different places to where they play football; in some cases, completely different countries. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 15:01, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Sheer stupidity ! Are you being foolish for the sake of it or just simply obsessively deceitful and obstructive ? He was playing and training there in LA every week for 5 years with Los Angeles Galaxy. The article itself states he was with LA for this entire period. His family was living there as well. Where are you claiming he was living whilst he trained every day in Los Angeles for 11 months of the year !!!!!!!!!!! Did he get the bus from Hertfordsgire every morning for training LOL That's the nonsensical and fallacious garbage that is presently there. --Snackbag (talk) 15:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

He was in LA those years. Everybody knows that. I'm wondering what's going on here. --John D Robertson (talk) 15:14, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * He played in LA, yes, but it's also worth noting that the specific description for this field, in the template, is "Location(s) where the person notably resides/resided, if different from birth place." - even if Beckingham Palace wasn't their primary place of residence, the entry was still 100% correct. The biggest issue is Snackbag's real motive has been pretty obvious; removing the link to Beckingham Palace. Why is it so obvious? Because not only was Snackbag consistently claiming that Beckham lived in Miami for a long time during his LA Galaxy days (and using that as a justification for just blanking the Beckingham Palace part), but every single edit has removed Beckingham Palace entirely, rather than just changing the date. Subtle vandalism compared to most - but still vandalism. The 11-month thing is also a deliberate red herring; no season lasts that long. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 15:22, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Miami instead of LA was an accidental error. So there is no need for you to keep using it as a deceitful excuse. --Snackbag (talk) 15:32, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

You obviously know nothing about the MLS or LA Galaxy. The season runs from April to November. Pre season training and pre season games start in January. He was resident in LA in his home, which he still owns and uses as a home, with his family for 11 months of the year from January to November, for 5 years. So stop trying to deceitfully distort the facts ! --Snackbag (talk) 15:32, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting to note the total lack of denial about your real motive there. WP:CIR - you were consistently, and for a long time, using the claim of Beckham living in Miami to remove any mention of Beckingham Palace from the infobox. That is a clear fact which is shown by your edit summaries, and is something you cannot deny. Whether you were mistaken or not, this is what you were doing - using an obviously invalid claim. So why should we listen to you now? Also, pre-season training camps are not evidence for Beckham living in the "family home" at that time. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 15:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Miami is very prominent for hims right now and in the press every day. It was accidental error. So forget the "real motive" deceit in order to try to distract attention away from the fact you are TOTALLY wrong. --Snackbag (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Explain how he can go to training every day from January until November for the LA Galaxy in Los Angelese without living in Los Angeles, which is where his family lived. Where is your evidence that instead he got the bus from Hertfordshire in England every day to go to training, which is the ludicrous claim you are inexplicably trying to defend. --Snackbag (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I lived in LA when he was there. He was training, playing and on TV in LA almost all tear round. Why is it being claimed he was living elsewhere when he wern't ?--John D Robertson (talk) 15:48, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

LA Galaxy pre season training starts in JANUARY http://www.lagalaxy.com/news/2015/01/galaxy-begin-first-full-week-training-weekly-schedule --Snackbag (talk) 16:01, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

The MLS season does not end until DECEMBER https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_MLS_Cup_Playoffs --Snackbag (talk) 16:05, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

So if you want claim he was not living in LA between January and December during those years you'll have to provide evidence of your crackpot theory. --Snackbag (talk) 16:05, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, I've never said he wasn't in LA at the time, what I've said all along is that just playing for a club in location X is not proof that he actually lives in that exact location. Anything else that I've said over at WP:AN3, where Snackbag was blocked for violating 3RR, also applies here. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 16:26, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

His England career should read 1996-2010...
...instead of 2009. He was on the bench against Egypt in March 2010 but never came on as a substitute. But surely that counts as part of his career, as an England footballer? If this is the rule for club careers on Wikipedia, it surely should be the same. For example, on Ryan Giggs's page, it says his Manchester United playing career was from 1990-2014, even though he actually made his first ever appearance for the team the next year, in 1991. And this is done for most players with clubs in Wikipedia. If they're in the squad, they're part of the team. I don't see why this should change for internationals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.153.198 (talk) 01:36, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

They have a contract with a club. They have no contract with an international side.--Snackbag (talk) 14:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

True, but maybe I used a bad example. But surely my point still stands... he might not have played in the game against Egypt in 2010, but he was still part of the squad, meaning he was an England player at that time, whether he came on in the game or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.153.198 (talk) 02:25, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2015
Hello! David Beckham is 5'11 and you can read it in book "My Side" from 2004 :"Weight: 10st 13lb (75kg) [sic] Height: 5ft 11in (180cm)."

Sebastian7755 (talk) 09:14, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. &mdash;Skyllfully (talk &#124; contribs) 05:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)