Talk:David Bentley Hart

Note on creating a new David Bentley Hart bibliography
After requesting a peer review of this David Bentley Hart article, I received the suggestion in connection to Hart's long list of selected "Articles" that "if many of these works are notable, perhaps WP:SPINOUT into another article" because the lists were too long for the main article. Hart's career has been shaped in large part by his rhetorical punch as an essayist, and the wide variety of topics that he covers in his essays across an long list of national periodicals is a substantial part of his reputation and appeal. It would make sense to expand his bibliography along the lines of the George Orwell bibliography or the G. K. Chesterton bibliography. At the same time, this main David Bentley Hart article needs to be better developed and expanded. To make room for this work on the main article while also developing and referencing the content of Hart's bibliography a WP:SPINOUT made sense: David Bentley Hart bibliography Much feedback and help will be needed in determining the selected articles to keep in this main article.--Jjhake (talk) 03:25, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Moving all lists of works to bibliography
Seeking improve this article in keeping with some requested peer review feedback, I have moved all lists of works to the David Bentley Hart bibliography with links there. The goal is develop this main article flows smoothly from start to finish in prose form and to allow a full accounting of Hart's notable works to be maintained in its own article. Jjhake (talk) 12:41, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

A second peer review underway
For anyone else following edits on this article and interested in helping, please note that there is a second peer review underway here (by an exceptionally experienced Wikipedia editor) that is driving another round of article improvements with the hope of reaching featured article. Jjhake (talk) 01:23, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Navbox Template created for the Hart main and book articles
For anyone following the work on this page, please note that, as a part of an ongoing peer review (see topic above), a navbox has been created for this article and all articles for books by Hart. See Template:David Bentley Hart (and the bottom of this article on Hart as well as each book article).

As part of this, to help keep Hart's main article text clear and readable, some of the many wikilinks to Hart's interests, influences, and opponents (from the article text, the infobox, and the "See also" section in its entirety) have been relocated to this Navbox. Ideas and help welcome of course with these substantial (and ongoing) edits. Jjhake (talk) 14:20, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Improvements to lead
Note that within a peer review of this article underway here the point has been made that a “lead should normally have zero citations because it should be a summary of the body.” This is the last step in this second peer review (along with a third full article review recently as part of the recent GA review process). In the next couple of days, I plan to move all citations in the lead down into the article body and to rework the lead (as moderately as possible) so that the lead is a complete (and succinct) summary of the entire article body. Ideas and help with any of this task welcome with edits or comments here. Jjhake (talk) 13:18, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Update: In addition to the relocation of citations and the summarizing of all content from the article body within the lead (both done in recent edits), the final peer review comment recommended a first paragraph in the lead that would summarize just the key elements of the entire lead (a kind of "summary of the summary"). So I'll be seeking to do this next as the last item to implement from this most recent review. --Jjhake (talk) 20:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Featured article candidate work
For anyone following or able to help with ongoing edits on this article, please see the featured article candidate project page for a recent set of recommendations. Jjhake (talk) 22:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm excited that this article is scheduled to load onto the DYK feature for 24 hours starting on April 5 with the photo of David and Roland that you complimented at some point as I recall (which gave me the idea of nominating it there).
 * However, I'm also noting that the FAC for this article is getting archived for now as "stalled" with a recommendation that I look into the FAC mentoring scheme which is where I first contacted you. With this first attempt, I did get the image credentials improved and made a substantial number of edits responding to everything that I could find to do with the helpful criticisms from SchroCat. I don't have much time, but as I come back to this and other projects in the future, I'm curious if you would add any recommendations to this list of ideas for how to better prepare for next time:
 * Spend some time reviewing other FAC candidates and making suggestions just to get to know various other editors and better understanding how the process works.
 * See if any other editors might enjoy helping with improvements on this DBH article and possibly supporting with any future FAC nomination.
 * Contact another person or two on the FAC mentor list for possible help as well.
 * Thanks for all of your amazing support so far (and the several others who helped with the peer review and DYK nomination. I've never gotten this involved with an article before or watched the processes connected to these categories. It's been fun to learn! -- Jjhake (talk) 19:15, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, - you a good model for taking the processes as a fun learning experience! "Stalled" just means: lack of support over a certain period. I think I recommended some of what you plan to do (listen to other voices in a peer review, reviewing to interact with potential reviewers and understand the process better): go for it! See on DYK day who is interested in the article - those who make changes - and ask them for feedback. Your best bet for a mentor is SchroCat, experienced and well connected. I'm rather a niche person there, just at the beginning of the alphabet, - without FA this year ;) - Read some of his articles! - Sharing impressions from vacation on Madeira 20-30 March, pics now at 25 March. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 31 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Excellent! Thank you so much. Makes great sense. -- Jjhake (talk) 21:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Can't say I'm too fond of this nutter getting the attention he so desperately craves
I guess people find it funny but this is the perfect example of an "academic" best ignored. 145.102.152.2 (talk) 09:03, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Encyclopedias should not ignore those whose literary and academic works are recognized by some of the world's top academic institutions (several books with Yale UP) and reviewed within some of the world's top magazines (such as The Times Literary Supplement, Publishers Weekly, and Los Angeles Review of Books). -- Jjhake (talk) 10:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Trying to understand…
If I’m correct in interpreting David Hart, I can say unequivocally: The story of Jesus walking on water during the storm, where Peter gets out of the boat, and as he is drowning, Jesus approaches, lifts him up a proof text for understanding the early church fathers beliefs while writing the Nicene Creed. 2601:3C7:4200:1A1:9DFC:6432:F655:A42B (talk) 17:05, 29 August 2023 (UTC)