Talk:David C. Sutherland III

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 14:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC) == David. You are missed. -Alex Szczepaniak —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.124.138.22 (talk) 21:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

- got an issue with the timeline of the purchase of TSR and Dave's loss of his job. It should be 1997, not 1999, because in the summer of 1997 he came to Poulsbo, WA to live for six months while re-applying for his job. I met him there, as we lived right up the street. I commissioned several pieces from him for a t-shirt and the cover of a gaming fanzine I was producing at the time. David left in November 1997 for his mother's house in Nebraska after being rejected by Wizards of the Coast. He took only what he could carry in his car - the rest he gave to me, the Goodwill or the dump. He worked as a tractor-trailer driver for some years before being sidelined by diabetes and other health issues. (Centurion13 14:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC))

Sutherland and WOTC
Just my two cents - TSR lost its heart and soul when Gygax left in 1985. I've been gaming since 1980 and I haven't bought a single product from them since they forced out the Master (I'm a paleogamer and proud of it). And when WOTC took over... well, their treatment of a godfather of the genre like Sutherland should have shown to everyone involved that money, not gaming, was what mattered. It's a sad story, and I'm glad Wikipedia at least has the facts here for anyone to see. 24.60.23.200 (talk) 14:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Possible refs
- Peregrine Fisher (talk) 17:16, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The full text of this one would be useful, if we could get it somehow. Currently, this article has no citations. Putting quotes around his name also helps. :) BOZ (talk) 19:28, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Archive version of [this obit]. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 00:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I like the CBC News obit - it has things like "Although he remained faceless to Dungeons and Dragons players, a generation of gamers grew up with Sutherland's otherworldly images in the 1970s and '80s." and "Sutherland's clean, expressive artwork helped players picture their own imaginary "campaigns," as the ongoing games of Dungeons and Dragons were called." No idea at the moment how we could use those, but I'd like to somehow. Maybe if we knew who actually wrote that? BOZ (talk) 00:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Also, do you think it's possible to use this one? It's a reposting of the AP obit, and I can't find the original. BOZ (talk) 01:41, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * What's weird about that one, is that I can't find it with the exact same wording. Here are some AP obits, and they don't have the exact same wording.  It's a little sketchy. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 05:05, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't see any of those, but that is definitely unusual. Suffice to say, I won't use that supposedly-reposted one then. :) It is similar to the CBC obit, so I wonder if they stemmed from the same source? BOZ (talk) 13:23, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't see them either, except for the first sentence, which is different from the deathwatch one. I think someone may have rewritten the AP one a little bit, although it was probably done by an RS like a newspaper. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 17:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)