Talk:David Cassidy/Archives/2017

Place of birth
David Cassidy was born in New York. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ 69.193.71.34 (talk • contribs) 02:13, August 8, 2006 (UTC)

Private life
No word about his real private life behind the heterosexual facade? There are not only rumors around. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.188.122.183 (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

CRAP!!! There have never been any rumours about David's sexuality in his entire public life. For someone as well publicised as David Cassidy, if there was any truth to this comment it would have surfaced years ago. My issue is not with sexuality per se, just the reference to something that implies sordidness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.73.198 (talk) 21:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I deleted the following content, as it's obviously unsourced, very much a personal account. I just remembered - you can see the info in the revisions, so I won't re-post it here. 05:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.70.245.140 (talk)


 * Maybe deleted a tad to hastily? Cassidy must be seen as at least bisexual. Several European print media reported in 1976 that Cassidy sexually attacked Wings guitarist Danny McCulloch in the backstage locker room of the Fort Worth Convention Center. A fight broke out in which McCulloch broke his wrist which finally was the reason for the untimely start of the Wings Over America tour two weeks late. Ask McCartney. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.131.69.218 (talk) 13:32, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I would ask McCartney, but I don't run in to him that often. TheScotch (talk) 00:06, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Those making these comments - all I can say is - please feel free to add any information to the article that can be verified with reliable third party sources, as long as you adhere to WP:BLP, paying particular attention to WP:BLPGOSSIP. I suspect a case of "sins of the father..." - in other words, just because David's father was confirmed as a bisexual does not mean that David will be. And really, in this day and age, who really cares? Didn't Bowie and Jagger supposedly "jump that shark" back in the seventies? As long as it all involves consenting adults and safe sex, live and let live. Garth of the Forest (talk) 04:31, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * In other words, don't bother with it at all, but if you do bother with it, keep within the rules. Sounds like you're having two bites at the cherry.  If you're not interested, fine, but how about we let those who want to get involved in researching this material do so.  There'd be no need for any LGBT categories if there was no perceived interest in this subject.  --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  04:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Um, I think you misunderstood me, and I really prefer that you not add words between the lines that were not intended. I'm not going to bother with researching it, because I personally don't care about David Cassidy's sexuality, but I encourage anyone who does to do the proper research themselves rather than posting unsubstantiated rumour on the talk page. I came here while taking a nostalgic trip through seventies television, and I did my part to improve the article by adding a missing citation. If anyone else would like to improve the article by adding some properly referenced material, please feel free to do so, rather than waste your time (and mine) sniping at other editors.Garth of the Forest (talk) 05:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Um, I think you're over-reacting. It's fine for you not to have any interest in Cassidy's sexuality.  But why try to convince/influence others not to be interested?  That's what your "who cares" comment means.  It goes beyond simply expressing disinterest on your own part.  Well, that's their call, not yours, so live and let live.  That's all I meant by my comment.  --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  05:16, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Copyright infringement
The addition I made to the article a few minutes ago crosses over from his professional career into his private life. Or it seems to. It's a comment from Nancy Sinatra about Cassidy using her father's music without permission from the copyright holder. Her use of the words "real jerk" seems like a suggestion about his private life, but the entire quote belongs in the article IMHO. The source is excellent. If you don't believe Nancy posts to her family's website, just visit www.sinatrafamily.com and read the regulations and facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ 12.102.8.104 (talk • contribs) 05:44, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Why include the DUI but not copyright infringement? Someone deleted Nancy Sinatra's claim of copyright infringement four months ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ 207.47.72.210 (talk • contribs) 20:48, August 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by "her father's music"? Did Frank Sinatra ever actually write any music? Anyway, the difference is that the DUI is official (presumably) whereas the putative copyright infringement is merely an allegation. This part of the article as it currently reads is opaque and seemingly trivial. TheScotch (talk) 00:04, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Cite for the 2012 quote
I'm not sure if this is an appropriate cite, but here's the segment from The Colbert Report on 26 Jan 2012: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/407039/january-26-2012/the-great-available-panel. 99.129.135.10 (talk) 11:52, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow. While I too occasionally appreciate Colbert's humour, it is hardly a reliable source, since the show is almost entirely composed of a very successful parody of right wing talk show hosts. How is a disinterested observer to distinguish fact from exaggeration, tongue-in-cheek jest, or parody? And which 2012 quote are you referring to? The content is unavailable from my location. Garth of the Forest (talk) 04:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

David Cassidy filmography
74.248.179.243 (talk) 23:14, 18 November 2017 (UTC)Cassidy was also in an episode of "Hawaii 5-0." I do not remember the title of the episode, but I have a clear recollection of Cassidy's portrayal of a young person with diabetes who did not have his medication, and he was approached by an older man outdoors who tried to kiss him on the lips. Sort of a child molestation thing, very awkward and unexplained, if I recall. 74.248.179.243 (talk) 23:14, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

City Herald
The City Herald source for his death doesn't appear to be extremely reliable. Surely it would be carried by other outlets that are more reputable. I'd suggest removing it and waiting for now. Nohomersryan (talk) 18:22, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming David Cassidy is still alive until there is reliable confirmation of his death. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 19:05, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Living or dead
Is the guy alive or not? GoodDay (talk) 19:09, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Alive as of 2:14pm et 11/19/17.

His page needs to be locked down to only registered users. DPJ626 (talk) 19:15, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

news of death not official - there was some sort of death hoax going around the web — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.214.38 (talk) 23:13, 19 November 2017‎

Tense
We generally use past tense, even for current events - as this is both more accurate, and remains accurate in the future, and is grammatically easier. So for example I changed

" it was announced that Cassidy has been hospitalized with organ failure, and is in critical condition in a medically-induced coma."

to

" it was announced that Cassidy had been hospitalized with organ failure, and was in critical condition in a medically-induced coma."

Since this is indirect speech, and the announcement is of something that was established prior, we need to use a suitable tense. The act of hospitalization itself is clearly in the past, and should require no further discussion. The state of being in a critical condition may or may not continue to be true - it is an (admittedly minor) breach of WP:CRYSTAL to assume that it does.

In no way did this change of tense imply that Cassidy was dead.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:30, 20 November 2017 (UTC).


 * I agree that past tense is suitable here even while Cassidy is alive, and will still be valid if he recovers, although a further explanation will be needed in that case. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 13:35, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Infobox
Even though Ryan Cassidy isn't considered notable. The infobox should be arranged so that it's mentioned that David has 3 half-siblings, while just showing the names of 2 of them. GoodDay (talk) 20:49, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable. I've edited the infobox accordingly. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 21:16, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Androgynous?!
This had utterly never occurred to me. Is there really any justification for describing the younger David Cassidy as "androgynous", as the article says? He looks nothing but male to me. If it's the long hair that made someone write that, bear in mind that long hair has been fashionable for boys at many times in many places, one example being the US in the early 1970s, which was the time when the show was made, after all. If it was somebody's opinion that Cassidy's appearance constituted androgyny, I think that the statement ought to be cited, and that perhaps the word ought to be put in quotes. Kelisi (talk) 07:47, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Cassidy was not androgynous, he just had long hair like many people in the 1970s. People said the same thing about Leif Garrett some years later. (2A00:23C4:638F:5000:F1B1:1FB2:BAA3:5A1 (talk) 23:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC))
 * Even The Beatles mop cuts were considered androgynous! It looks normal to us now because of the efforts of these people to change perceptions by wearing ambiguous hairstyles. It isn't ambiguous anymore because we have less gender expectations! Long hair was popular among the youth, but it was not broadly accepted in mainstream culture. Hairstyles like David Cassidy's were different than the hippie styles though; not long enough to be counter-culture, because it was cut near the shoulders, but way too long for the "normal" mens cuts. Also it maintains a very natural waviness that men didn't normally accept; most men with wavy hair would cut it short, or else oil it straight, because the waviness was seen as a feminine trait. But on the other hand, his hair succeeded at looking unstyled, so the net effect was considered androgynous. It isn't just "somebody's opinion," it was a widely held cultural perspective in that era.MacroMyco (talk) 09:44, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2017
Please add Cassidy's obituary from New York Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/21/obituaries/david-cassidy-dead.html 194.69.14.78 (talk) 07:19, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * An obituary link has already been posted. It is not for edit requests to specify exactly which one, as that is down to editor consensus on the article. Ref (chew) (do) 09:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

For what it's worth
It seems that his type of dementia may be somewhat contentious. For some time now, the article has stated "non-Alzheimer's dementia", but some editors are questioning whether that is supported by sources. In a reverse-type search, entering "David Cassidy non-Alzheimer's dementia" into the Google search facility brings up NO answers which include the phrase "non-Alzheimer's" (there are only a couple of anecdotal references to Alzheimer's at all). That seems to indicate that the "non-Alzheimer's dementia" assertion is indeed questionable. Ref (chew) (do) 09:13, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * News articles are saying "dementia" when referring to his illness, but they are also saying Alzheimer's when referring to his mother's illness, and they are also reporting that he had the same illness as his mother. So they don't know, but are reporting anyways. He definitely had spoken in public about wanting to help with publicity for Alzheimer's-related causes due to his mother, so it is likely that he had Alzheimer's which sometimes gets listed as "dementia." The medical terminology is evolving right now, too.MacroMyco (talk) 09:51, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * In his televised interview with Dr. Phil Cassidy said his mother had dementia but did not have Alzheimer's. That's probably why his Wikipedia article was edited to say that he had non-Alzheimer's dementia. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2017 (UTC)