Talk:David Crosby/Archive 1

Random Comment
David Crosby's voice is nothing like John Fogerty's. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.68.237.161 (talk • contribs).

There are numerous inaccuracies in this article. Two notable inaccuracies include the assertation that David Crosby introduced George Harrison to the sitar and that the stacked vocal techniques used by the Beatles for tracks such as Paperback Writer. Both these assertions are wrong. George Harrison discusses first-hand in the Beatles Anthology Documentaries that it was in fact Roger McGuinn who introduced Harrison to the sitar and Ravi Shankar. Similarly, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr talk first-hand how the vocal techniques employed in Paperback Writer (and during the Revolver era) was in direct response to the Beach Boys and Pet Sounds.

I concur that there are many inaccuracies in this article. For example, both 'Carry Me' and Bitter Sweet', cited in the article as popular songs written by Crosby in the 1970s, are attributed on the album upon which they first appeared ('Wind On The Water' by Crosby & Nash) solely to Graham Nash. Furry Canary 06:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The fix the article!!! Fr33kMan 03:43, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

NPOV tag
I slapped it on there after reading this sentence:
 * Crosby is one of the few musicians who found fame in the 1960s who genuinely deserves more credit for his music than he has ever got; unfortunately, all too often, occasional moments that have made the news – basically related to drug abuse and drug related paranoia – have made people forget his excellent songwriting.

I think we need to be a bit more NPOV than that or reveal where this came from as  a quote. I think the rest of the article is the same mold - a bit too worshipful for an encyclopedia entry. Some of the language may also be other-worldly. --Habap 20:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * if you notice a little passage that seems pov, rather than just slapping an npov tag at the top, how about just deleting said passage. you can't always rely on others to fix things you want fixed. Joeyramoney 17:14, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I did make some changes, but the article was riddled with POV statements, some of which have some been changed. --Habap 19:10, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I tried cleaning this up, hopefully didn't delete anything someone really wanted to keep. I think most of the "worship" is gone. Thoughts on deleting the NPOV tag? Simon12 02:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * NPOV tag is gone, the article seems pretty neutral know, although it's poorly structured. Registered user 92

Crosby's drug habits
David Crosby makes no secret of the extent of his addictions. Read "Long Time Gone," his autobiography up until just before he needed a new liver. In an incident when Crosby was freebasing behind the wheel on a straightaway of Southern California freeway while steering with his knees, his car hit the center guardrail and flipped over. The police searched his car, and when they asked him why he had a handgun in the glove compartment, his two-word response was recently-assassinated "John Lennon." At the beginning of the book are hospital and psychiatric reports on Crosby and the third quarter of the book has particular detail of drugs, particularly making and smoking freebase cocaine.

Does anybody know if David Crosby is the strung out "pop star" mumbling to himself while sitting in his car with a knife in Robert Greenfield's book about the Rolling Stones American tour? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.24.36 (talk) 00:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Expansion
I added the expansion page because Crosby is a very well known musician and I'm sure are plenty of sources to find out more about him. Also, this page just seems like a bunch random facts organized in chronological order, try and make more coherent, if you don't know what I mean, look at Gram Parsons page for example, that's a good article on a musician, use it as a guideline. Registered User 92


 * Taken care of, don't bother reading this.

Removed Wikify tag
I cleaned up a bit and did a little rearranging. Please feel free to edit, redit and add to the article. Eggman64 07:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Legal troubles
WP:BIO now requires deletion of a section like this unless it is adequately sourced. We all know he's had runins with the law but we have to get the details right and cite reliable sources. The editor soon to be formerly known as Harmonica Wolfowitz 20:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Done! Fr33kMan 05:17, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Please, get rid of the Rolling Stone Speak
"Crosby was starting to find his trademark style – a unique combination of solo vocals augmenting a touch of Nina Simone and his unique "angelic" harmony arrangement of a jazzy, Gregorian chant, Beach Boys type and music that veered from Joni Mitchell-esque guitar tunings to full-on rock."

This kind of writing I would expect from a strung-out, gothic, J.D. Salinger-esque teen full of musical angst, not sure what he's saying, but surely saying it with too many mixed metaphors and too many soaring but full-tilt, adjective free associations.

You get the point? ;-)


 * I totally agree with you!! Just the facts mam, just the facts (leave the editorials for the funny papers) PS: next time leave a signature please Fr33kMan 03:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed Trivia and cleaned up legal issues
I've removed the trivia section because it is not supposed to be there and also because it was unsourced and I've deleted most the the legal problems section and just left the medical stuff behind. I've done this because the legal stuff wasn't sourced and WP:BIO requires it! Fr33kMan 03:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Correction
Regarding the entry: "Around the time of Crosby's firing, he met a recently unemployed Stephen Stills at a party at the home of Cass Elliot (Mama Cass) in California in March 1968, and the two started meeting informally together and jamming."

During a recent interview with David Crosby on the CBS show 'Sunday Morning', Crosby stated that the location where he and Stephen Stills met and started singing together was at a party at the home of Joni Mitchell (not Cass Elliot as stated in the Wiki article.) Again, this statement came directly from David Crosby during the interview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.91.194.71 (talk) 01:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, the Daylight Again concert DVD states that they met at Cass Elliot's house. KitHutch (talk) 04:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Which meeting are we discussing here, when Crosby met Stills, or when Nash sang with them the first time? According to the Zimmer book, Crosby met Stills in 1966 in L.A.(P 38), so they did not meet for the first time in 1968 at anybody's house.

if we're talking about the famous meeting where all 3 sang together or the first time, The Zimmer CSN book (written in 1984) has the definitive answer: Crosby has always said it was Mitchell's. Stills originally said John Sebastian's house (Sebastian says the same thing), but now (in 1984) Stills says Cass's. Nash originally said Cass or Mitchell, but now (1984) says Cass. Joni Mitchell said "They're all right". (all from p 72). I don't think we can say for sure. Simon12 (talk) 06:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

> I don't think we can say for sure.

Well if even the principals can't agree then I'd have to say you are right... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.91.194.71 (talk) 15:49, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

For consistency Betty Christie Crosby should read Betty Christie Cormack (or whatever) as mother's original surname is used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.42.205 (talk) 19:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Need new picture
The picture from the Occupy show needs to go. I understand it's a recent event but the "Debt is slavery" banner in the background on his main picture is giving undue weight to that issue(it is not at all relevant to the subject who is wealthy and white). Unless Crosby himself endorsed it or agreed with it somewhere it does not belong there. Crosby & Nash played one Occupy event, while that is notable, it does not warrant inclusion of the overzealous slogan comparing modern day debtors to slaves. If nothing else, it is in very bad taste of the people who created and displayed the sign. It could be considered offensive to those actually affected by slavery. I have some pictures of my own but they are not of great quality. Maybe someone who knows more could crop that part out of the picture? UselessToRemain (talk) 17:04, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes! Even from just aesthetic reasons, it doesn't do justice to Crosby- I'm going to look for another photo altogether. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 22:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree..he`s always been an activist and this is probably where his head is at today..my guess is you have a problem with the Occupy movement and that your opinion is politically motivated..leave the picture it`s perfect. Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 04:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * While I can agree that a more neutral pic is called for (and is now apparently in place), I think his EXTENSIVE activism is worthy of a whole new section being added68.104.235.64 (talk) 23:17, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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Joni Mitchell (citation needed)
The mention of him having been in a long-term relationship with Joni Mitchell is in the 1st para of the Personal Life section. It has "citation needed" against it. That she was "his then girlfriend" is in one of the existing references, the High Times article about him getting his name on a brand of dope. Is "his then girlfriend" sufficient? It doesn't necessarily mean long-term relationship, but... There has to be a reference somewhere. Surely it's in one of the biographies? Boscaswell  talk  09:42, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If it's in one of the articles, add the reference. KitHutch (talk) 21:24, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Random Comment
Isn't this sentence superfluous?

[Crosby] donated sperm to fellow musician Melissa Etheridge so that she and her lesbian partner at the time, Julie Cypher, could have two babies. It seems that it would be better off in a trivia section. Which reminds me, I think the article should be divided into contents.

Rumors of Death
Whoa, I assumed he had died. In fact I thought I had heard as much during the whole etheridge thing. I appear to not be the only one. Was there a false rumor started? Does anyone have info on the rumor? 207.235.124.220 08:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Sigh, Crosby is not dead! This is an encyclopaedia not a fansite or gossip site. Think about the language you used in this comment. "assumed ... I thought I heard" these are not statements from someone who knows. Check out his website if you want more info: also shows CSN touring recently and in the future. Fr33kMan 03:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Well this didn’t age well… PedigreeWWEFigz87V2 (talk) 23:11, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Nominated for the main page
This article has been nominated to be linked on the main page under the section "In the News." Interested editors are invited to discuss the nomination here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

The lead is way too long
Please read the guidelines at WP:LEAD. Moncrief (talk) 23:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Death date of the 19th is not confirmed
Per the New York Times, a relative indicated he may have died on the 18th. Can we at least cite our sources that say the 19th? That it was announced today is obviously not proof he died today. Moncrief (talk) 00:29, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I've switched the article text to only saying his death was announced today, and noting his sister-in-law's statement to the NYT, which suggests he could have died late on the 18th or early on the 19th. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 00:35, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2023
Crosby's brother Ethan, who taught him to play guitar and started his musical career with him, died by suicide in late 1997 or early 1998; Twogunwolfie (talk) 01:01, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Duplicated Lemonaka (talk) 01:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2023
Please change "Crosby's brother Ethan, who taught him to play guitar and started his musical career with him, committed suicide in late 1997 or early 1998;" to "Crosby's brother Ethan, who taught him to play guitar and started his musical career with him, died by suicide in late 1997 or early 1998;" Twogunwolfie (talk) 01:03, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe they are the same, could you explain why this change is needed? Lemonaka (talk) 01:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * MOS:SUICIDE ~ Eejit43 ( talk ) 02:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ ~ Eejit43 ( talk ) 02:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Death
there is only one source and it is one yahoo which has been corrupted before. There was a hoax last week. He may not be dead Strattonsmith (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I agree. Take a closer look to that Yahoo report, which seems to have been automated (i.e. picked up from some dubious source or hacked) - the one media source they give isn't a real source, much less a credible one. Total hoax. L1759 (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Never mind, not a hoax, it was just initially reported in a sloppy, haphazard way. L1759 (talk) 05:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Yahoo pulled the story. Anyone heard of 'newsdirect.com'? They appear sketchy. Jip Orlando (talk) 21:52, 19 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Right now, every article is pointing back to a Variety piece that somehow managed to change authors in the hour since the story went up (it was Carmel Dagan, now it's Chris Morris). I'm really skeptical right now. Schiffy  ( Speak to me &#124; What I've done ) 22:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)