Talk:David Day (Canadian author)

Member of the Writers' Union of Canada
with more information on his biography on page 66 https://archive.org/details/whoswhoinwriters0000writ/page/66/mode/2up --Melly42 (talk) 14:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Member of the League of Canadian Poets
with full birthday: https://books.google.de/books?hl=de&id=3vgrAQAAIAAJ&dq=itv+%22the+whale+war%22&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22Day%2C+David%22 --Melly42 (talk) 15:17, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Amendments needed to David Day Articles
There are some inaccuracies in the page for David Day (me) as follows:

•	Born in Victoria, British Columbia (Source: Who’s Who writers Union Canada ISBN 096907963X published in 1993)

•	Correction needed: I graduated from Victoria High School in 1966 not 1955 (I would have been 8 by Wikipedia’s current source)

Works on Tolkien

•	A Tolkien Bestiary released in 1979 as per Wikipedia’s own publications list

Publications

These books are not mine:

•	Please delete bullet Day, David (2005) Claiming a continent: a new history of Australia (not me) •	Please delete bullet Day, David (2019 Antarctica New York, NY (not me)

In addition to the books listed, I have also written and published the list below:

Name of Book	Year Published	ISBN #	Publisher	Country
 * The Burroughs Bestiary	1978 	0-450-03442-9	New English Library	UK
 * The Scarlet Coat Serial	1981 	0-888-78135-0	Press Porcepic	Canada
 * The Animals Within	1984 	0-888-78135-0	Penumbra Press	Canada
 * Castles	1984 	0-070-37280-2	Bantam Books	New York, USA
 * Gothic	1986	0-9204828-05-3	Publisher Exile Editions	Canada
 * The Emperors Panda	1986	0-396-09036-2	McClelland & Stewart	Canada
 * The Whale War	1987	0-871-56775-X	Rutledge	UK
 * The ECO Wars	1989	0-245-54723-1	Harraps	London, England
 * The Swan Children	1989	0-824-98461-7	Piccadilly Press	London, England
 * The Encyclopedia of Vanished Species	1989	0-947-88930-2	Universal Books	UK
 * Noah’s Choice	1990	0-670-80669-2	Viking Penguin	London, England
 * True Tales of Environmental Madness	1990	0-7207-1974-7	Pelham Books	London, England
 * The Sleeper	1990	0-824-98456-0	Piccadilly Press	London, England
 * Aska’s Animals	1991	0-385-25315-X	DoubleDay 	Canada
 * Aska’s Birds	1992	0-385-25388-5	DoubleDay 	Canada
 * A-Z of Tolkien	1993	1-85152-921-7	Mandarin	London, England
 * Tippu	1993	0-812-06498-4	Piccadilly Press	London, England
 * King of the Woods	1993	0-027-26361-4	Anderson Press	London, England
 * Aska’s Sea Creatures	1994	0-385-32107-4	DoubleDay	Canada
 * The Complete Rhinoceros 	1994	095-1634267	EIA Books	London, England
 * Tolkien’s Ring	1994	0-2611-298-2	Harper Collins	London, England
 * The Quest for King Arthur	1996	0-816-03370-6	De Agostini	London, England
 * Visions and Prophecies of St Louis De Metis 	1997	1-895-44964-2	ThistleDown Press	Saskatoon, Canada
 * Just Say No To Family Values	1997	1-550-96162-4	Exile Editions	Toronto, Canada
 * The Hobbit Companion	1997	1-570-36391-9	Pavillion Books	London, England
 * The World of Tolkien: Mythological Sources of Lord of the Rings	2002	0-517-22317-1	Mitchell Beazley	London, England
 * Nevermore: A Book of Hours – Meditations on Extinction	2012	978-1-926802-68-8	Quattro Books	Toronto, Canada
 * A Dictionary of Tolkien	2013	978-1-6-710-906-8	Cassell	London, England
 * An Atlas of Tolkien	2015	978-0-75373-004-1	Cassell	London, England
 * The Battles of Tolkien	2016	978-0-7537-3109-3	Cassell	London, England
 * The Heroes of Tolkien	2017	978-0-7537-3247-2	Cassell	London, England
 * The Dark Powers of Tolkien	2018	978-0-7537-3307-3	Cassell	London, England
 * The Hobbits of Tolkien	2019	978-0-7537-3378-3	Cassell	London, England
 * The Illustrated World of Tolkien	2019	978-1-64517-131-7	Thunder Bay Press	San Diego, US
 * The Ring Legends of Tolkien	2020	978-0-7537-3413-1	Cassell	London, England
 * An Encyclopedia of Tolkien: The history and mythology that inspired Tolkien’s world	2019	978-1-64517-009-9	Canterbury Classics	San Diego, US

Personal Life

David Day has a daughter, Tarot (Source: A Dictionary of Tolkien, published in 2014 with ISBN 978-0-75372-827-7) and lives with his spouse, Róisín (Source; Heroes of Tolkien, published in 2017 ISBN 978-0-7537-3247-2 )in Toronto. 2607:FEA8:7E0:9F0:474:BF0D:C430:F235 (talk) 23:15, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I added your wife and removed the book by another author of the same name. I'll take a look at the rest later this week. Schazjmd   (talk)  23:34, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Made the other changes, and updated list of books. Schazjmd   (talk)  22:13, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello Schazmd, thank you for the corrections, changes and additions to my wiki entry. I’m sorry for not replying earlier, but for some reason I never received your comments.
 * However, if possible, I would like to request a few revisions of the current entry.
 * In PUBLICATIONS : Could Antarctica. New York. Oxford University Press, 2019 be deleted? This book was not written by me, but by the Australian historian David Day.
 * Also in PUBLICATIONS: Would it be possible to insert: The Cowichan. Canada. Oolichan Books, 1975 in this listing; as Wiki does acknowledge (and reference) its existence in the OTHER BOOKS section that begins with “Day’s first book of poetry, The Cowichan, was….[7].” This first book was first published in 1975 by Oolichan; while a second illustrated edition was published by Harbour Press in 1976. I have a number of substantial reviews of the book, however, like many small poetry press publication of the 60’s & 70’s, neither edition used ISBN numbers.
 * My third suggestion is not a correction, but a request for fairness.
 * In the WORKS ON TOLKIEN section, I have no objection to the statement: “The Tolkien Society does not include any of Day’s books in their list of recommended books on Tolkien. [3]”
 * However is it fair or reasonable to give such authority to the opinions The Tolkien Society fan club by repeating this statement twice in the same article. And more specifically placing it in the opening paragraph of the entry, so it reads: “David Day is a Canadian author and poet. He is best known for his books on JRR Tolkien, though none of them are included on The Tolkien Society’s list of recommended books [3].”
 * The Tolkien Society is fan-club. It is not in any way affiliated with The Tolkien Estate or any peer-reviewed academic organization or publication. The opinions cited by the Tolkien Society on David Day are all by self-published bloggers and authors of fan sites.
 * As all of Wiki’s own TEAHOUSE investigators of my site in 2020 have made clear: none of the “Tolkien Experts” cited by The Tolkien  Society “can be presented here as reliable”. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:37, 18 April 2020 states “we cannot accept anything like it here without better sources than private blogs and authors of Tolkien fan sites.” And that this criticism was “not in accordance with WP:BLP policy.”
 * ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:39, 18 April 2020 (UTC) concurred and opined that this was “a bit of a hit job”. And all recommended deletion of the entire vitriolic CRITICISM section.
 * Also, in the WORKS ON TOLKIEN section. In the interest of accuracy, would it be possible to remove the sentence: “Day was forced into bankruptcy by the protracted legal battle.[14]”
 * My reason for this request is that your source, Robert McCrum (Observer, July 6, 1997) got it slightly wrong. The Tolkien Estate was actually suing their own publisher, Harper Collins.
 * I was named in the threatened suit, but I hired no lawyer and had no legal costs. Harper Collins’ shouldered all legal costs as they acknowledged to me that the dispute was not really about any legal infringement on my part, but the failure of their editor to notify the Tolkien Estate of the commissioning of my book until it was almost ready to go to press.
 * It became a test case between the Estate and the Publisher, wherein The Tolkien Estate won out and was granted right to editorial control (and an effective veto) over any and all Tolkien related books published by Harper Collins.
 * Harper Collins paid me my full advance for the book, but apologetically explained that they could not publish my book as they could not afford to risk alienating the Estate.
 * I consequently took the manuscript with a few minor changes and a longer analysis on linguistics to Pavilion Books. As a courtesy, Pavilion sent a copy of the manuscript to the Estate, who then reluctantly agreed that there was no legal obstacle to its publication.
 * In short, I was not forced into bankruptcy by this dispute, as I had no legal representation or costs in this dispute between the Tolkien Estate and Harper Collins; or between the Tolkien Estate and Pavilion. In fact, on the positive side, I received two fully paid advances; and ultimately, the book has sold many hundreds of thousands of copies and remains in print in multiple editions and languages.
 * I’m sorry to have to saddle you with such a complex and belaboured explanation. I only state it here in full for the sake of clarity. I don’t expect it to be added to the article.
 * However, I am asking - for the sake of accuracy - that you consider the deletion of this one line. I think you will agree that its removal does not take away from anything from whatever interest there might be in this rather sad episode.
 * Sincerely
 * David Day
 * P.S. - As a footnote, I would also like to add that despite the fact that members of the Tolkien Society have been aggressively trolling me for nearly 30 years; my Goodreads site collectively has 21,205 ratings of my books with an overall average of 4.03 stars out of 5. Each of my books on Amazon is rated between 4.5 and 4.8 stars out of 5. To the best of my knowledge, I have never received a single bad review of any of these books in the mainstream press or anywhere in print. All of the attacks are on the internet and most of those are by people who have not actually read any of my books, but simply repeat criticisms (mostly about 30 & 40-year-old out-of-print books) they have found on Tolkien Gateway site on David Day. KingoftheWoods (talk) 05:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @KingoftheWoods, I've made most of those changes. The bankruptcy claim is supported by three different sources. I'm not disputing your description of events, but the article relies on summaries of what independent sources say. Schazjmd   (talk)  16:54, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Harper Collins paid me my full advance for the book, but apologetically explained that they could not publish my book as they could not afford to risk alienating the Estate.
 * I consequently took the manuscript with a few minor changes and a longer analysis on linguistics to Pavilion Books. As a courtesy, Pavilion sent a copy of the manuscript to the Estate, who then reluctantly agreed that there was no legal obstacle to its publication.
 * In short, I was not forced into bankruptcy by this dispute, as I had no legal representation or costs in this dispute between the Tolkien Estate and Harper Collins; or between the Tolkien Estate and Pavilion. In fact, on the positive side, I received two fully paid advances; and ultimately, the book has sold many hundreds of thousands of copies and remains in print in multiple editions and languages.
 * I’m sorry to have to saddle you with such a complex and belaboured explanation. I only state it here in full for the sake of clarity. I don’t expect it to be added to the article.
 * However, I am asking - for the sake of accuracy - that you consider the deletion of this one line. I think you will agree that its removal does not take away from anything from whatever interest there might be in this rather sad episode.
 * Sincerely
 * David Day
 * P.S. - As a footnote, I would also like to add that despite the fact that members of the Tolkien Society have been aggressively trolling me for nearly 30 years; my Goodreads site collectively has 21,205 ratings of my books with an overall average of 4.03 stars out of 5. Each of my books on Amazon is rated between 4.5 and 4.8 stars out of 5. To the best of my knowledge, I have never received a single bad review of any of these books in the mainstream press or anywhere in print. All of the attacks are on the internet and most of those are by people who have not actually read any of my books, but simply repeat criticisms (mostly about 30 & 40-year-old out-of-print books) they have found on Tolkien Gateway site on David Day. KingoftheWoods (talk) 05:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * @KingoftheWoods, I've made most of those changes. The bankruptcy claim is supported by three different sources. I'm not disputing your description of events, but the article relies on summaries of what independent sources say. Schazjmd   (talk)  16:54, 3 February 2023 (UTC)