Talk:David Gilmour/Archive 2

D.M.?
It was my understanding that there was a distinction to be made between a genuine doctorate and one awarded honoris causa, i.e. an honoris causa doctorate is something else than a doctorate, not one sort of doctorate among others (e.g. it does not entitle its recipient to apply to academic positions which a genuine doctorate would allow them to), so that people who have received an honoris causa doctorate do not use the title. So is it good etiquette to introduce David Gilmour as "David Gilmour, CBE, DM"? If not, I would suggest removing "DM". S.Camus (talk) 17:11, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Charlie Gilmour
Does his adoptive son's behaviour and subsequent prison sentence deserve any mention in this article? Dr.O.Farr-Kinnel (talk) 12:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Main musical equipment
I propose to greatly trim this section. It is mostly unreferenced and is way into cruft territory even if it was. Any opposers? --John (talk) 08:03, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes should all be removed - FYI I removed the section "HIWATT Signature Amplifiers" again as its just a copy and past ( a copyright vio) from here - PLUS it all just really  an ad for the amp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moxy (talk • contribs)
 * That seems fine. Thanks. --John (talk) 18:34, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Section has been removed - copy and paste of copy right material. Do we know who added all this - because we need to know if this copy and pasting is all over Moxy (talk) 13:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

WP:CITEVAR
WP:CITEVAR says that "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style [...] without first seeking consensus for the change". Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 11:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why it should even be discussed when all other Pink Floyd articles use the SFN citation style. I'm not against making a poll, by the way. GeezerB (talk) 00:12, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles", and you can't use WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS either. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 00:30, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with GeezerB. Falco70 (talk) 21:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello sock, nice to meet you. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 21:55, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Drums
There's videos out there and even a comment in the article that he plays the drums, so shouldn't drums be included in his list of instruments played? Ablehr (talk) 08:40, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * According to Template:Infobox musical artist: "Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using. The instruments infobox parameter is not intended as a WP:COATRACK for every instrument the subject has ever used." GabeMc  (talk&#124;contribs)  17:31, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 22:08, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Guitar auction proceeds
The "Charity" section says: " Gilmour later announced that the proceeds from the auction will benefit the charity ClientEarth. " But in the very next paragraph it says: "... and the proceeds being donated to the Crisis charity... " Does anyone else see an apparent contradiction here? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The recent Rolling Stone article covering the auction says ClientEarth, and apparently Gilmour only announced that recently, so I've gone with that. We can cover this entire event with a single source. Popcornduff (talk) 15:16, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Ok. That reverb.com source does not seem to provide any statement on the benefitting charity at all This was such a huge sum that one might expect to see news on the website of the charity or charities concerned? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:26, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * We shouldn't be using reverb.com as a source at all, as it's not considered reliable by Wikipedia standards. Popcornduff (talk) 15:29, 21 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Ok. Many thanks for telling me (although I can't actually see anything on that webpage that looks wrong). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Drums
David is an accomplished drummer as well, they are YouTube videos of him playing the drums (Barn Jams, I believe). So it should be listed as one of his instruments.


 * He has played drums, yes but I wouldn't describe him as "accomplished". He's not a particularly good or skilled drummer and I suspect he has had some tuition whether it be "proper" or just guidance from Nick and others he's worked with over the years. I'm not totally convinced that he played the drums on "Fat Old Sun", either. – Dyolf87 (talk) 06:30, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

"Multi-instrumentalist"
He can play other instruments, but he's notable as a guitarist; surely that should be specified in the introduction.128.78.0.46 (talk) 11:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree. Most professional musicians can play more than one instrument, so we should stick to what they're notable for. Popcornduff (talk) 18:29, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I also agree. He's not at the level of, say, Mike Oldfield but he definitely is a multi-instrumentalist. He could easily release an album being the only person performing on it – he won't because he firmly believes in using the best person for the job and is humble enough to know that he is not always that person. – Dyolf87 (talk) 06:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Bass controversy
Gilmour's controversial claim to have played bass half the time in the studio because of allegedly doing it quicker than Waters has been proven false many times and it really should be removed from the article or at least add a source to counter or refute that claim. It's true that he played bass in the studio to a certain extent and I'm not negating that, but it wasn't anywhere near the majority and his statement was a complete exaggeration, because there is no evidence to back it up; even Waters himself has dismissed the notion that he isn't as musical as Gilmour as "f***ing nonsense." Gilmour made the claims at a time when he and Waters weren't even on speaking terms and during 1968-1975, you have to note that the amount of Gilmour's bass contributions on records were minimal compared to Waters, who was the band's usual bassist. To my knowledge, Waters recorded all of his own bass parts on the first three albums (remember that Syd Barrett never deputized on bass, not even in the studio), Obscured by Clouds and Dark Side of the Moon, the live disc of Ummagumma, all but one track on Atom Heart Mother, all tracks on Meddle (including the bass duet with Gilmour on One of These Days), all songs on "'Wish You Were Here, one song on Animals, half of the bass parts on The Wall and pretty much every bass part on The Final Cut''.

This is the source of Roger's denial. 14.201.228.228 (talk) 06:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yo. I'm the editor who added that information about Gilmour supposedly playing "half the bass". When I did it I was careful not to phrase it in Wikipedia's voice, and to attribute it to Gilmour - "According to an interview with, " etc. If Waters or another source ever rebutted that then we can add that, but he doesn't say anything about it in the Guardian source you provided. Popcornfud (talk) 12:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Gilmour has claimed that he played bass on "Money" on Dark Side and I believe him. Compare the bass playing with the 1981 A Collection of Great Dance Songs version (where Gilmour played everything except drums and sax) and Roger's original "Money" demo. It definitely sounds like Gilmour playing it. Also - if you listen to Waters playing it on the Live at the Empire Pool recording it sounds like his demo but unlike the studio version. I've also heard that Gilmour played bass on part of "Shine On", but I can't remember which part or why – I think it may have been Part 6. – Dyolf87 (talk) 06:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Roger actually played the bass on the Dark Side version of Money. 14.201.228.228 (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.119.70.214 (talk) 09:19, 1 August 2020 (UTC)