Talk:David Goodwillie

Charge
His rape charge has now been dropped due to lack of evidence. I think the section relating to this rape charge should be removed? Monkeymanman (talk) 16:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. doom gaze   (talk)  18:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Here is her opinion:. PatGallacher (talk) 10:20, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. All that has happened is that the Procurator Fiscal has decided there is not enough evidence to convince a jury to convict. Fine that he's now legally in the clear, but air-brushing the entire episode from history strikes me as hagiography. Has anyone heard from the complainant in the case? What is her opinion, I wonder? --Oscar Bravo (talk) 11:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Seeing as there has been no mention of who or what the complainant is (in any way) then ....Monkeymanman (talk) 14:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * there is a debate ongoing at BLPN any comments should be directed there. At the moment there is more consensus for it to be included than not be but that may change. Warburton1368 (talk) 16:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have added a paragraph per that apparent consensus. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:08, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Why has this been removed? It was and is certainly a controversy; the charged were dropped because of "insufficient evidence in law", which is different from charged being dropped by the accuser. At any rate, it was certainly news and is relevant to the biography of Goodwillie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.46.6 (talk) 12:09, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from D146895x, 1 August 2011
In the 'Controversy' section: In January 2011, Goodwillie was charged with rape and released on bail. Ref: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12209157

D146895x (talk) 08:13, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

It's been debated at WP:BLP it was decided that it would be included but in context of how his career has been on hold rather than to list under controversies.Warburton1368 (talk) 08:23, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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Rapist
David Goodwillie is far more famous as a rapist than as a footballer. Should his status as a rapist be prominent in the first sentence of the article?

Htrowsle (talk) 22:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)


 * No. His legal travails have been reported as widely as they have precisely because he was (to an extent still is) a prominent footballer. The civil trial for rape would have got some publicity because it was a legal novelty in Scotland, but calling him something other than a footballer would be placing the cart before the horse. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 10:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Should we include him in the category "Scottish rapists"? PatGallacher (talk) 20:08, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No, per the description of Category: Rapists: 'This category consists of individuals who have been convicted of rape in a court of law'. His case is equivalent to that of OJ Simpson - acquitted of murder at trial, found liable in the civil case - and he (rightly) isn't in Category:American murderers. Robofish (talk) 21:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

"found to have raped"
"In a civil case in 2016, he was found to have raped her and ordered to pay £100,000 in compensation."

That's overstating the situation. Better to say,

In a civil case in 2016, he was found more likely than not to have raped her and ordered to pay £100,000 in compensation. 93.19.21.160 (talk) 11:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a clear finding. There's no place for mealy-mouthed qualifications of the matter. For criminal cases, are we thus to add the qualification "found beyond reasonable doubt to have"? A finding is a finding. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)