Talk:David Korn (computer scientist)

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Someone enterd this comment to the "Korn shell and Microsoft" section: "What has this story to do with the Korn Shell? This is just another example on how Wikipedia is trolling and spreading anti Microsoft FUD." Since comments doesnt belong in the article itself, I moved it here. Someone with more knowledge on the subject should decide if its valid or not.

Viblo 10:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Ignoring the issue of fud/no-fud. I believe wikipedia isn't a place for hilarious anecdotes. I just found out that my edit (old) was reverted. I never expected this to be controversial. Konryd (talk) 17:04, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Are the "other David Korns" really all that noteworthy, if all they get is an honorable mention on this page? I suggest this section be deleted, and the primary David Korn remain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.143.8 (talk) 07:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'd argue that they belong on a disambig page, with a link up top on this page. I came here looking for David Corn, so I think there's worth to it.--12.47.123.121 (talk) 00:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks like the other David Korns were knocked into oblivion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.116.48.172 (talk) 03:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

David Korn told me recently that he joined the UNIX development in 1976 already. This seems to be in conflict with the article. Schily 87.158.121.4 (talk) 21:20, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * In 1976, or 1977, I literally walked onto the corporate campus, and got a tour (not the level of security as seen today). David Korn signed a book, and had someone else give it too me, and I got a free lunch, and a tour.  That was 1976 or 1977?  Years later, I also contracted on the Shannon Labs Team, (as it was dissolving), and an interesting experience.   So, yea, David was there somewhere about that time.   Not, the other big AT&T players, did not give me a book. 162.72.88.128 (talk) 19:22, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Notability
This article lacks any reliable independent secondary sources to establish notability as required by WP:GNG, WP:BASIC or WP:BIO. David Korn is very well-known; there have to be sources out there. This article needs them. Msnicki (talk) 03:07, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Then choose an appropriate template. 2001:470:600D:DEAD:0:0:0:42 (talk) 05:13, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

David Korn (computer scientist) → David Korn –Becauswe the disambiguation page is very useless especially if there's only two terms. I will find ways to disambiguate on that article.j3j3j3...pfH0wHz 06:15, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. This David Korn isn't that famous except to other computer scientists. Though I expect we should be able to find them, this article doesn't yet cite any reliable secondary sources to establish notability so it's just not automatic that if there's another David Korn, that this is the main one.  Msnicki (talk) 06:42, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose: Agree with above. No evidence given that David Korn the computer scientist is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which is required for WP:TWODABS. –CWenger ( ^ •  @ ) 16:58, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment for those two: I respect your words and sentence. If you want to cancel the request, go for it! It's up to the admin. j3j3j3...pfH0wHz 03:51, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Support; it's silly to have a disambiguation page for just two entries. I don't care which one gets picked, but pick one.  Powers T 13:32, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That gives unnecessary prominence to one of the two David Korn's. Have you read WP:TWODABS? –CWenger ( ^ •  @ ) 16:28, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I believe it needs strengthening. The bar for primary topic should be much, much lower when there are only two articles to be disambiguated.  Only in the rarest of cases should we have a disambiguation page for two articles.  Powers T 20:45, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. –CWenger ( ^ •  @ ) 21:04, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

poorly sourced anecdote
The sourcing for this story is weak: the source only talks about product plans (and there is no evidence provided in the single source that the plans were completed), there is no date for the incident, the actual speaker is not identified in the source. In short, about 80% of the information in this topic for the anecdote is unsourced. TEDickey (talk) 13:51, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The whole content is confirmed by David, your claim that 80% is unsourced is no more than your own invention. David and Glenn mentioned this episode to me while we have been in a pub. Claiming that facts that have been confirmed by David Korn are no more than an anecdote (which is some kind of fiction) can be seen as a personal attack against David Korn. I hope you know that WP does not permit personal attacks. So please remove your "poorly sourced" tag from the article. Schily (talk) 09:54, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

There is nothing in your comment which is either a reliable source or verifiable, making it nonresponsive. TEDickey (talk) 21:56, 22 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The only unsourced claim I can see here is your claim that this is an anecdote. You seem not to know that WP does not require verifications to be available on-line. If you continue to call David Korn to be a non-reliable source, you are obviously doing a personal attack against David Korn which is prohibited by WP. Schily (talk) 15:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I personally would accept the Slashdot David Korn Tells All source. Yes it's an interview (making it primary) and, even worse, a blog post, but I don't think this simple anecdore requires the same sort of reliable independent secondary sources we'd require to establish notability.  To confirm a simple anecdote, I think this is enough.  Msnicki (talk) 20:30, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * In 2008, I was talking with David Korn about Cygwin vs. UWIN vs. "Interix" and about the ksh and the fact that the ksh in "Interix" has some problems. Later on a social event, this topic was continued and David mentioned the Microsoft coference. AFAIR, this was confirmed by Glenn Fowler and another person that claimed to be present at that MS event. If this is not sufficient together with the other verification, we would need to delete more than half of WP and this would hopefully remove a lot of false claims seen all over WP. I rate this ksh episode as definitely verified. Schily (talk) 14:13, 26 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The slashdot source doesn't provide any additional information relevant to the topic as it exists (seems that the same information is missing there as well: the speaker, product and date are lacking). TEDickey (talk) 22:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

co-developed sfio
The linked topic does not provide a WP:RS for this; there is a link to a paper which lists a possible third author. TEDickey (talk) 11:17, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Employment
David Korn's LinkedIn page suggests he works for Google since March 2014, but Wikipedia:External_Links says "LinkedIn pages may be used as self-published, primary sources, but only if they can be authenticated as belonging to the subject." I couldn't find any other sources that say he works for Google. Would it be okay to reference the LinkedIn page, or are there other, better, sources? Chris Young (talk) 06:18, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Definitely notable
Along with developing the korn shell and several other notable achievements in computer science, Korn (along with advisor Paul Garabedian) developed a transonic airfoil (model?) in the 70s which is still the subject of papers (e.g., here's one from 2011 ) Garabedian and Korn published a book on the subject: ).  The korn shell was a significant influence on the Bourne shell (bash) which is the standard shell in Linux distributions.

IMO Korn's achievements in aeronautics or his achievements in computing would be noteworthy on their own. Together, they're especially noteworthy.

Unfortunately I don't have nearly as much bandwidth for WIkipedia as I used to, so I doubt I'll have time to run down references for all this, but hopefully this is enough to stave off summary deletion.

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