Talk:David Lee Roth/Archive 1

OU812
The article states: (The phrase OU812 can be seen as early as 1972 in the TV series Taxi.)

The only problem is, Taxi didn't air until the fall 1978 television season.

AltrEgo2001 (talk) 19:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Family
What is the deal on DLR's family? I am sure he must have sired some children over the years. Any truth to the rumor that Avy Lee Roth is his daughter? I feel like it should be mentioned somewhere, but his life and career are so integrated (ie. no "personal life" section) that I don't know where to start. Plus I'm lazy. Jairuscobb 04:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There is noting about his older brother and their financial relationship.
 * Not all 'Lee Roths' are related to David, and most Porn stars like Avy Lee Roth have made up names. ( i.e. is probibly easily discredited ), She is short and black haired with NO northern european features. Is David Lee Roth anyones father? 67.174.157.126 (talk) 14:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)--
 * I know that this is is kind of old, but according to this interview, Avy Lee Roth is indeed daughter, and he also has a son, Kevin. The interview in question is with his daughter Brenna. WeirdCapedGuy (talk) 03:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

How can the article claim that both sets of grandparents emigrated from Russia to Indiana but a line or two later claim one grandmother is from the Azores? How many fucking grandparents is he supposed to have?

NPOV
"Val at Free FM in Dallas thinks he's an ass." I don't know nor care who Val is and why she thinks Mr. Zippidy-Bop is an ass. Out it goes.--65.144.114.8 11:32, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Jewishness
Does Roth's Jewishness affect the article? I don't think it adds anything. I was going to cut it, but don't care enough about the subject (Roth, not Judaism) to start an edit war over it. Dukeofomnium 20:00, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It's also under Discography section. I think this should be fixed. --Hkroger 19:49, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No, it doesn't seem terribly relevant. Curiously, however, Roth is the first person mentioned in Adam Sandler's The Chanukah Song. No, I'm not proposing we start using Adam Sandler as an objective measure, just saying :) -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:52, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I removed the bit about his being Jewish. If someone else wants to add it, fine, but it was awkward and out of place as included. Dukeofomnium 21:29, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Is there any basis for designating Roth as being Jewish, other than a song written by a popular American comedian? As I write this, the sentence in question looks as if some one tacked it on to the end of the section for comical value. If some one finds more authoritative and credible evidence than, "The Chanukah Song," he should offer it and integrate the information smoothly into the article, not just slap a sentence in anywhere. -Art —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.101.150 (talk) 19:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Dave thought his jewish heritage is relevant enough to warrant a chapter about it in his book... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.146.107.86 (talk) 23:33, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe so. I haven't read the book, so I cannot say. But like I wrote, that needs to be cited and integrated into the article in a way that doesn't disrupt the flow. -Art —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.105.113 (talk) 07:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

OF COURSE his being Jewish is relevant. It's part of who he is, culturally as well as personally. An article about Bill Cosby would likely mention that he's an "African American comedian," so why not mention that Roth is a "Jewish American singer"? This sort of editing smacks of antisemitism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.62.190.18 (talk) 02:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Image?
This is a great Roth page; however it would be better with a photo, I think. Does anyone have one to post?

I just finished reading it for the first time and was about to post the same thing :S
 * agreed, it's definitely lacking Oreo man 17:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Ukraine?
I thought his grandparents were Russian. Can anyone confirm this?

Ukraine was a part of USSR you idiot though I doubt you know what USSR means! - American Education! People in America don't even know where they live, where USA on the map of world is, so no wonder they don't know where Ukraine is or part of what it used to be. Thank God I am not American and I do not live in the USA full of illiterate people.
 * Seriously, this is not the place for flames, this is for article discussion. Anyways, the point is moot, it doesn't matter where they're from. If you can't help with additional information, please don't waste your breath, okay? Armslurp 02:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

None of his grandparents was from Portugal. They were primarily CritterHill 02:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)Lithuanian.

Rock's two greatest singers?
"Many consider Roth one of rock and roll's two greatest frontmen"

I don't think this statement has much truth in it. In fact I don't know anyone who feels this way and I can name a few frontmen who are generally held in higher regard than David Lee Roth; Jim Morrison, Mick Jagger, Steven Tyler, Kurt Cobain and many many more. I think this statement was made with your PoV in mind and wasn't based on much else. -- User:Zoso Jade


 * Jim Morrison, Mick Jagger (Rolling Stones are good, but not him), Steven Tyler (incredible), Kurt Cobain (ehhhh)........and Rob Halford!! (lead singer of Judas Priest, for those who dont like/know/care about the band). Now go download Diamonds and Rust by Judas Priest, and you'll know why I added him....


 * sounds like original research -- banned by wikipedia dictate. wikipedia isn't interested in your opinions unless they're in some official document proclaiming you to be a genius. that's the short version of the policy or guideline or whatever it is. regardless, stating taste as fact is usually a waste of time, here and elsewhere. please sign your comments next time (enter " ~ " and it turns into a sig on preview and save. like this:) Wbfl 04:31, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

1993 Incident
Can't we ignore the pointless mention of this? Does it really concern music?? This ain't court, folks!


 * it's mentioned because it was the only significant publicity he'd received in years, and, unfortunately, had a role in shaping the public's perception of him all the way through today. this article is about david lee roth, not music. much of DLR is publicity. doesn't matter whether we're happy about the arrest or what happened because of it. it's notable, and your attempt above to rebut its inclusion is illogical. Wbfl 13:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but this isn't Ghandi, MLK Jr., or Rosa Parks we're talking about here. This is more gossipy than historically important. I equate this incident's relevance to Sammy's alleged alien abduction (i.e., who cares??). DLR has gotten tons of publicity in his lifetime, so there just isn't enough room for every lame incident to be mentioned in here. This article is about a musician, not the perception of him by his fans. Nevertheless, I'll let subsequent editors decide. -- Armslurp 00:22, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * DLR wasn't getting tons of publicity at that time. that's the point. he was getting none. it was relevant to his music career and his life. it's potentially a major reason he was gone for so long. for a few years it was the only thing people talked about when his name came up. why? i don't know. i think it's stupid. but the publicity a public figure receives can be relevant in an encyclopedic article about that person. when a seemingly unimportant issue becomes all people talk about in relation to a person, its importance grows. if you want to have a strict prohibition against public perception factors being included, then remove all references to record sales, concert attendance, etc. &mdash; all mere measures of public perception at the root. DLR's career took a dive, and he was kicked while he was down. i don't agree with it, and it pisses me off that we live in a world where supposedly respectable people think it's their business what somebody else smokes &mdash; to the point where the scattershot can derail a man's career. however, that's what happened, and if you look at that period, it's about all that happened as far as the public's concerned. is it absolutely necessary to include? i don't know. but it sure isn't a clear area for deletion either. if it's here, and it was, may as well leave it, since, contrary to your ploy above, we do have room for it. this is not a paper encyclopedia, and nobody's trying to include everything that ever happened to roth. Wbfl 03:34, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
 * haha man, consider your ass kicked Armslurp :) excellent rant, Wbfl Oreo man 17:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolutely no comment whatsoever - none needed. Anyone looking for a nice example of really, really poor justification for edits should be pointed at this exchange. (Just for fun: "don't agree with it", "pisses me off", "public perception", "kicked while he was down", "ploy" -- etc. -- and then to the respondent: well, hard to argue in favor of a WP edit arg starting with 'haha man, consider your ass kicked'.) Consider both of your asses obviously biased and POV.A Doon (talk) 18:49, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

restraint
if you're going to turn the article into a rambling biography of knicknackery with these recent edits, please at least try using somewhat conventional syntax, grammar, spelling, and flow. this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a dumping ground for backyard BBQ anecdotes, delivered as though the alcohol were flowing. article was bad enough without these recent slaps of slop. i'm not going to clean it up either. Wbfl 20:29, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Was this criticism written while alcohol was flowing, Wbfl? This page has better syntax, grammar, and sentence structure than most. (Especially pop culture articles)! Are you trying to say that you'd like shorter sentences? Regardless, the grammar is correct, and the "knicknackery" is informative. 71.234.216.249

Hey Jethro Bodine Wbfl, Try a little of your own advice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.231.184.2 (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

One of the Rocks Greatest Frontmen
Alongside Robert Plant and Kurt Cobain, Roth was able to project high velocity and swerving dynamic range. He fused blues and funk with metal well before Linkin Park, Red Hot Chili Peppers or Rage Against the Machine with the exception of Jimi Hendrix  [15:59, 13 January 2006 217.137.44.5]


 * If this is what you want to add to the article, go ahead. Others may moderate your tone but you seem to me to have the kernel of a reasonable observation.  But it does no good to put it here on the Talk page, put it in the real article!  And please stop removing past comments from the Talk page.   Wasted Time R 16:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * NOT Singer, just Frontman.
 * You can add Singing off key, getting the verses out of order, and forgetting the words to his own songs.
 * And also with the exception of Eric_Clapton, Pink_Floyd and The_Beatles 67.174.157.126 (talk) 14:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)--


 * Actually, look at the similar claim above...do NOT put that into the article. Read up on NPOV or original research if you care to know why.  Jairuscobb 04:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

End of the David Lee Roth show
Ah, see I didn't know he went back on the air after the songs, because I had arrived at work by then and didn't get to hear if he came back on or not... but apparently he did.. - SoniK Traveler [04.21.06]

concatenate info on this page and Roth Show page?
wouldn't it be appropriate to take some of the latter stuff off of this page and move it to the DLR Show page, or at least mirror the info there?

Yes

Strummin' with the Devil
Is this considered a DLR album, or merely a tribute album featuring him? It's currently listed as a Dave album, but I'm not sure it technically is. --cholmes75 (chit chat) 04:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * On the album cover on Amazon.com, it says "A Tribute ... Featuring David Lee Roth" plus he only (apparently) sings on two songs ("Jump" and "Jamie's Cryin'"). I haven't bought the album, though (yet?). Armslurp 05:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

"Latverian"?
Did he invent this language himself?--Son of Somebody 03:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And why is it still in the article? Tirolion 20:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Birth year
My research favours 1953 as the year of his birth.

There is often a fudge between 1953, 1954, or even 1955, but I feel I may be correct. Please do not quote his "official website", or some such, as the greatest reliable source. In my experience, these invariably perpetuate any earlier attempts to mislead us all (quite a frequent practice, right across pop music).

Derek R Bullamore 21:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe that you're correct. This is the date cited in Roth's 1998 autobiography. 24.2.244.245 20:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Birth year in the main article has been changed to 1953 accordingly. Please feel free to argue the point, if you have some decent evidence.
 * Derek R Bullamore 22:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

In my hardcover copy of "Crazy from the Heat" Roth writes that he was born on October 10, 1954 (page 11, first line in the section titled "Looking in the Rearview Mirror"). That's consistent with the many times he stated his age (51) on his ill-fated radio show in early 2006. It also fits with the year he graduated high school.,1972. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.37.131 (talk) 17:25, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

A little aint enough Tour
in his autobiography he says the statues spat jack daniels (or cheaper equivalent) not vodka. 88.106.159.187 14:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame Inductee?
The category tags list Dave as being an inductee of the Rock'n'Roll Hall Of Fame. This is incorrect, yes? no? I.M. 18:03 February 22, 2007


 * Nope, it's correct.

Mel Brooks History of the World Part I
Does anyone know if David Lee Roth appeared in this movie? He walks like him, talks like him and looks like him when he says "who knows Toq, you might win a buck". He would have been 27 years old in this movie. Any ideas? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.22.226 (talk) 21:43, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow! Very close, but its actually another actor. When I find the name, Ill post the response here. 67.174.157.126 (talk) 14:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)--

Roth moving to California
Will someone please research this and include the correct information? Did he move to Cali with his family? Did he move by himself? My first thought when I read this was "Oh, he moved out of his parents' house and went to California by himself?" Not that this couldn't happen, but if it didn't, the sentence is misleading. Neo1973 (talk) 00:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * He moved with his parents. There is some documentation of this in Creem Magizine, but its all basically unsorsed. 67.174.157.126 (talk) 14:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)--

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Article
The article as it stands is a mess... it's mostly made up of unsourced OR and is also heavily POV. Nobody of Consequence (talk) 03:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * All apart from the poor english. i.e. look for the name 'ED' ed? Ed WHO? Oh Eddie Van Halen, I thought you ment Ed Wood.
 * and "credited with establishing Los Angeles as hard rock's unofficial capital during the 1980s and early-1990s."
 * The citation for this?
 * 1) "The Decline of Western cililization part 1, the metal years."
 * 2) Just about ANY VH1 retrospective on the 1980
 * 3) "Hype" mentions that Nirvana did for Grunge what Van Halen did for hard rock, i.e. "establish is home town as the unoffical capital during its hayday."
 * 4) Interviews with Band members of Motley Crue, Poison, Metalica and Iron Maiden all say this.
 * 5) An 8-foot-tall mechanical gorilla that was swiped in broad daylight from its longtime location outside a store has turned up several hundred miles away — with an apologetic ransom demand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.157.126 (talk) 14:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistent article
The beginning of this article--until "career explorations"--is, for the mot part, quite well-written and appropriate in tone. Thereafter it becomes a jumbled mess. Hopefully, this article will be fixed soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.129.85 (talk) 04:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Darion Lucrezia Santini
Wanted to say hi, and couldn't find Bluegrass or funny hi alert video. Why does WB act like Goodfellas gone Lewis & Clark? Stopping shows for paperwork or those who sleep late? DLS75.250.140.58 (talk) 03:35, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

pictures
as big as this article is, WHY AREN"T THERE ANY PICTURES OF DLR??????????? Beastly20  Don't Be Silly,  Wrap Your Willy! 01:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Wushu?
Wasn't David Lee Roth a black belt in Chinese Wushu or something? Didn't this affect much of his live performances? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.154.124 (talk) 03:17, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

How was Roth's stage persona influenced by Black Oak Arkansas vocalist Jim "Dandy" Mangrum?
It would be nice if the article explained how Roth was influenced by Mangrum. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 15:17, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Sheepdogs
Roth owns livestock and sheepdogs for competition purposes. Has anyone seen any RS mentioning this?Fasttimes68 (talk) 04:23, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Check out Dave's "Dog World" video on Vimeo  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.46.12.78 (talk) 02:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Better Picture of Dave
Any chance? The current one is fairly bad. 211.31.37.109 (talk) 14:37, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Is/was David's Mother Jewish or not?
Yeah, well as the above statement asks... Was/is his Mother Jewish? I've heard rumours that she isn't... Er... Jewish Can anybody answer, my question. Yes he was raised in his Father's faith... But if he wasn't born Jewish to his Mother's side then technically he is NOT Jewish. :) (120.149.119.57 (talk) 09:23, 22 October 2013 (UTC))
 * His mother was born Sibyl Lazar, to A.M. Lazar (Abraham Meyer Lazar) and Betty Zagorsky, who were both Russian Jewish immigrants. All Hallow&#39;s Wraith (talk) 22:51, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

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Personal life
How come this article has no information about his personal life? Charles Essie (talk) 05:23, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

The Roth Show appears to back on YouTube
At the end of the article, there's a section that indicates the Roth Show videos had been pulled from YouTube. They appear to be back now... unless the article is referring to something other than these: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheRothShow — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macromark (talk • contribs) 22:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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