Talk:David Passaro

Hyder Akbar
I see that the references to the article on Hyder Akbar have been excised.

Isn't his role worth mentioning?

The nephew of the Governor of the Province, an American citizen himself, convinced Abdul Wali that since Wali was innocent, he should have no fear that Americans would abuse him. Wali was present, and described, Passaro's first interrogation of Wali.

So, let me ask again, isn't his role worth mentioning? -- Geo Swan 13:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Said Hyder Akbar was the son (rather than nephew) of the Governor and was acting as interpreter during part of the initial interrogation. The events are recounted in Said Hyder Akbar's book "Come Back to Afghanistan" Bloomsbury 2005 and in a radio documentary broadcast on the NPR program "This American Life" episode 254 first broadcast on 12/12/2003.--Douglass McCrae 31 July 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.102.190.51 (talk) 06:46, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

TO the "Hyder Akbar" posting-

My heart aches for the disoluteness of this machination, to which both Passaro, Hyder Akbar, as well as Abdul Wali were all mere pawns. These three men, pieces of a diabolical and perverse scheme, of which has been used to CONTINUE to fuel a fire, which rages out of control, devouring both man and plot.

Ask, you might, (then again, you might not because the truth is hot to handle), then again, it is always easier to point a finger at a fall guy, and satisfy your conscience that justice has been done, when in fact, you seethe and ooze contempt for the real villians in this story- and you know their faces, and their names.... but how much profit has been made... how much profit have YOU made, by being able to believe the lie you know to be just that, and not reckon or demand justice from the real faces of the rascality at which we all- every citizen of this world, not only passaro, or akbar, or wali.... but this entire earth, and even outer space is suffering from same hands....

Breathe your vehemence at the pawn, and deny verity.... suffer and remain in your bliss-less ignorance, and be damned for your preference for the perversion of justice, and skulk yourself into forever subterfuge.

Want to HONOR HYDER AKBAR??? OR ABDUL WALI ??? May I suggest putting the full repudiation where it belongs- on the Government of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA- the Presidency, and the CIA, whom ALL had everything to do with this, that and ALL THE OTHER THINGS.

Passaro was one man, one incident, of a carefully orchestrated symphony of lascivious, and abhorrent reign. Check your facts. Check your figures. 911, the wars, Saddam Hussain's atrocities against his own people, terrorism, instability and warring factions in the Middle East, mobilized troops, American and Middle Eastern casualties, corrupt leaders, shady deals with presidents and Bin Ladens- all these things existed before passaro. What was passaro in the grandiose contrivance of this roman-fleuve. Passaro was a pawn- granted, he was trained, groomed, and puffed-up, for the part- incidentally, like most of the "facts" surrounding the case, and the witnesses against Passaro, oh how contradictable, this pseudo justice was a mere cloak to expose a weapon, or a farse- the Patriot act- the illegitimate child of a crack whore, but when the child suddenly becomes of some use, the "dead-beat dad" steps up to the claim- and impose it's self appointed guardianship upon the world, and it's counties....

(coincidentally, all such soldiers found guilty of mistreatment, were under orders and given freedom, by HIGH ranking military and government officials, all whom knew exactly what was happening. Conveniently, however, under false statements, which they will all be held accountable for, since not by this government, but by the Almighty GOD, on judgement day- and not the deity they call god, that lets them do the atrocities they do, and sleep at night, but YAHWEH, EL, the GREAT I AM, and their plastic smiles, and seared consciences will melt in the awesomeness of HIS presence. (ON THAT DAY, there will be no where to hide- no one to take the fall for you- YOU will fall, and you will fall far).  Their every deed will scream out against them, all the blood they shed, and drank, for filthy lucres' sake, and an eternity of anguish and regret wont subside, and as they drown in the curse of their greed, and their true reward, the pain they caused multiplied a million fold for all the souls they slaughtered.....You will count it that day, and you will be short).

So, my friend, I ASK you- why the rant? WHY the crusade? GO write a book, like Hyder Akbar. Better yet, get a hold a solution to tyrannical and corrupt US Government, and leave the pawns out of it! Sadly, like the ol'time favorite show, the Muppett show, only imagine a nafarious version,- our government, and presidents are merely puppetts- all the same, run by the same money, and the same conductors. We the people, are not democratic, but a republic, controlled by those in power, and we are collateral, ancillary.

"Jujmintday (talk) 06:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)"

BLP re-write
I have done a rough BLP re-write based on a comment left at WP:BLP/N today. The article was unacceptable in its prior state. It's better now, but not perfect; however I don't have any more time to spend on it today. Below are a couple of paragraphs I've removed, they probably are accurate but the references are dead links. Someone may want to source them and see if they should be re-added. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  23:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, though they appear together here, the 3 paragraphs were in different places in the article, don't expect them to make sense out of context. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  23:30, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

''Early in the trial U.S. District Judge Terrence Boyle ruled the defense could not subpoena former CIA Director George Tenet, former agency operations chief J. Cofer Black, and University of California law professor John Yoo, along with several others whose identities were not disclosed. ''

''CIA Director Michael Hayden has stated "As abhorrent as this situation was, it is a fact that we, as an agency, did not sweep it under a rug," Hayden said. "We addressed it head-on and dealt with it swiftly." and called Passaro's actions "unlawful, reprehensible, and neither authorized nor condoned by the agency."''

''Even though in March 2002, it is said that top officials at the CIA authorized controversial, harsh interrogation techniques. ''


 * In February, 2009, an anonymous user readded a paragraph with a properly sourced quote concerning a claim that the subject allegedly abused his stepson by beating him in a manner similar to that alleged in the case by the detainee. I've removed it again. The article used to source the statement merely pointed to testimony that the prosecutor wanted to use in the trial. The article doesn't reveal whether the judge allowed the evidence to be used or not, nor does it reflect whether the step-son's account was challenged or not. While I think that there may be a place for the quote in a larger, more balanced article, in its current stub form the qutoe does little exception pile on negative information in case in which the subject was actually acquitted of the worst charges. As such, due to the WP:BLP and WP:NPOV concerns, I removed it. Please do not re-add it without discussing the matter her first. Xymmax  So let it be written   So let it be done  17:48, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Details of the crime
Why aren't any details of the crime given? Many references are given, but no details of what he actually did to the victim appear in this article.211.125.177.12 (talk) 06:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Notability?
This person is notable for only one thing. Wikipedia discourages articles on people who are notable for only one thing. WP:1E. The fact of his having been prosecuted for torturing someone to death is what is notable. It is the prosecution not him, that matters. The prosecution is dealt with succinctly on the Enhanced interrogation techniques page. He himself is of no consequence, just one more convicted felon among hundreds of thousands every year. There is no reason to give his name exposure on Wikipedia. Proposal: delete this article, redirect from his name to the section on prosecution of torturers in Enhanced Interrogation here . ElijahBosley  (talk &#9758;)  03:16, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


 * It seems to me that a merge with Death of Abdul Wali is what is most needed. Any further reorganisation could be considered after that. SamuelTheGhost (talk) 12:08, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your view. Good point. If others agree I will see about writing some language for merging this ElijahBosley  (talk &#9758;)  14:54, 22 July 2015 (UTC).
 * Concur with a merge. The subject's primary notability is in the context of Mr. Wali's death and the legal consequences that followed. I think his name should redirect to the Wali article. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  02:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Seeing an emerging consensus, I have put a Merger proposal tag at the head of the David Passaro page.  I'll wait a while, and if there is no objection engineer the merger. ElijahBosley  (talk &#9758;)  11:34, 27 July 2015 (UTC)


 * As per the message you left on my talk page Elijah, I think it would certainly be a good idea to merge this article into the Death of Abdul Wali page. Thanks for the heads up, despite my very late response! keepinternetfree 5:51, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Merge completed. Appeared non-controversial. Ajpolino (talk) 03:09, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

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