Talk:David Stewart Wylie

Children
Some are given here. A newspaper report, however, says the eldest daughter Janet of D. S. Wylie married Francis Duerden, and died in Bermuda 1827. Likely this Francis Duerden.

This can be sorted out assuming Jean=Janet, daughter Mary I dies young and is not counted. Of three daughters then two marry Duerdens. Charles Matthews (talk) 16:53, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I would now assume some garbling, though. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:44, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Wife
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Jamieson-3452 gives Jean Jamieson as Wylie's wife. On under "Jamieson, Joseph" is Jane born 1769 who is supposed to be her (per WikiTree giving "Father's first name(s) Joseph Father's last name Jamieson Mother's first name(s) Ann Mother's last name Wodrow". This forum thread talks about her mother being Janet Cochrane, which may be from up the page under "Jamieson, John". So that is unconfirmed.

The forum thread talks about Wylie's grandson Edward Little emigrating to South Australia. Now that may be New Zealand. See https://www.nzpictures.co.nz/pandoraresearchAJCP-CO208-1.pdf, "Folio 499 No.222 Edward Little, Hundstile Knolly Ash near Liverpool 24 Jun 1839 Sir, By the recommendation of Mr D. S. Wylie of Liverpool I apply for the purchase of one section…".

I haven't put anything about Jean in the article, for lack at this point of proper references. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Edward Little
He can be placed as the business partner of Gustav Christian Schwabe (ODNB article on Schwabe). Through his ownership of Handstyle House in West Derby (i.e. the "Hundstile" above, Handstile elsewhere) we can get the following from


 * LITTLE, Edward the Elder Esquire Handstyle House near Liverpool, Lancs, England, bought land grants Sections 3410, 3412, 3487 Meadows Special Survey (249 acres) in 1840, but died 3/12/1840, before the sales were registered in SA on 15/5/1841. He left his entire estate to his wife, Margaret Little, in trust for life, then to their 10 children in equal shares absolutely in remainder expectant. Mrs Little and most of her family had emigrated to SA by 1867. The eldest daughter, Jane, (born 10/11/1820), died late August 1854 Crichton Institution in Dumfries, Scotland, of cholera. She was buried in St Mary’s parish churchyard. David (born 1/5/1822), Edward the Younger (born 21/8/1823 ) in New Zealand, Margaret (born 25/6/1825 ) wife of David Wylie SCOTT of Alberton, Mary (born 2/4/1827 ), Elizabeth (born 8/12/1828 ), Joshua (born 12/3/1831 ), William (born 8/4/1833 ), Jessie (born 10/1/1835 ), Agnes (born 16/6/1836 ) Application 8529

That's from the South Australian General Registry Office.

Therefore it becomes fairly solid that Margaret Little is Margaret Wylie, daughter of David Stewart Wylie and sister of David Wylie the younger.

As for the marriage of the daughter Margaret to David Wylie Scott, he is according to Ancestry the son of Mary Wylie, daughter of David Stewart Wylie. In other words this looks to be a first-cousin marriage. But the ancestry page is missing Mary Wylie's husband. This pretty much has to be William Scott (South Australian politician) though that article drops the ball on his wife.

This Trove search gives us that David Wylie Scott was the second son of William Scott, and that Margaret Cochrane Little, daughter of the late Edward Little Esq. of Liverpool, married him in 1861 at Yankalilla, South Australia.

Margaret Cochrane Scott "born on 25 June 1825 in Liverpool, England, into a large middle-class family" is pretty much notable as an artist. That page says only "married David Wylie Scott, who was connected to the Little family through a business partnership."

Convincing to me that there is enough material here to fill in relationships. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:39, 1 October 2022 (UTC)


 * David Little died 1871 in the Wairau River, New Zealand. Charles Matthews (talk) 05:10, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Agnes Little died in 1920, at Fendalton, New Zealand. Charles Matthews (talk) 05:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Passengers on the Canton
This is a list, from, of the Wylie/Scott party on the Canton on its 1838 journey to South Australia:

David WYLIE John NEWMAN Henry Jonas WATSON M.A. WATSON M. WATSON R. M. ROBSON Samuel GILLARD, H. H. GILLARD E. GILLMAN Captain William SCOTT, Mary SCOTT B P WINTER Ann SCOTT, Josephine, NEWMAN Mary Caroline NASH Elizabeth WYLIE Harriett, WATSON Eliza Ann ROBSON, James George NASH

Along with other evidence, it does suggest that William Scott's wife was called Mary. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Elizabeth Little
An obvious question is if she is related to Edward Little. She might have been his niece. (That is what is said here and on https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Scott-43935.)

From what I can gather from newspaper search, her father John Little lived at Green Hill, Stapleton in north-east Cumberland, and died before her 1837 marriage to David Wylie. Her mother appears to have been called Esther, and died in New London, Prince Edward Island in the 1860s. (Per the WikiTree page, she was Margaret E Bartley and died 1850 - compatible?) Since Edward Little started out in Carlisle, which is the nearest place of any size to Stapleton, it is perfectly plausible that he was related.

The surname Little is common in that part of the world, and it would probably require some intensive research to get further. Charles Matthews (talk) 04:16, 3 October 2022 (UTC)