Talk:David Yonggi Cho/Archive 1

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There's no place called 교덩 in korea. Should be 교동, or 교성. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.41.145.44 (talk • contribs) 04:47, 29 August 2004 (UTC)

Actual size of Yoido Full Gospel Fellowship, Seoul, South Korea
While I would not contest the fact that Cho's church is indeed the largest in the world today, to use the figure of 800,000 members is not accurate, despite what the church officials might say or publish. According to published authors who have researched this church (Karen Hurston, who was a youth pastor at Yoido years ago, author of "The Largest Church In The World"; Joel Comiskey, who did his doctoral dissertation on this church in 1996, author of Home Cell Group Explosion), this 800,000 number would include all past members and even some long-term, regularly attending visitors of this church.

The actual membership/regular attendance of this church is and has been around 225,000 persons for a number of years according to both of these respected published authors.

One might ask why the church would publish such large numbers when they know it is not true by the very accurate accounting of weekend attendance they perform dutifully. While it is just the opinion of this Wiki-participant, I believe it is caused by a lack of proper translation mixed with the cultural issue of losing face or saving face, depending on how one views it. To publically say that the church is not 800,000 members strong today would indicate they have not been truthful about membership for years, and it would also indicate stagnation, neither of which are seen as favorable in any culture, but especially in the highly performance-driven culture of South Korea.


 * The explanation is actually very simple. The leadership of my own church in New Zealand has long had a close relationship with the Yoido church, so I know something about the topic (but cannot provide external references).  In recent years, the Yoido Church has founded numerous "satellite churches" and has transferred most of its membership to them.  Each satellite church has its own building and its own pastor, but is still OFFICIALLY part of the mother church, and its pastor is subordinate to David Yonggi Cho.  Members of the satellite churches are counted as members of the mother church, though in practice they may have nothing directly to do with it. David Cannon 10:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Your explanation does not make sense "Yoido" is a district of Seoul, it is a place. "Yoido Full Gospel Church" is an actual building so surely the numbers should refer to the members of the church.


 * I will never understand how anyone could take Christianity and pervert it so much by claiming that Paul knew more than Jesus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.109.83 (talk) 01:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

4th demention
Was up with that? Is this a heretical teaching? Can they give more info????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.96.172.5 (talk) 22:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Name change
I gather he was originally called Paul Yonggi Cho but he changed his name to David at some point in the early to mid-1990s. Any indication exactly when, and why? Jammycakes 22:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have the same question. I was searching for him under his old name, of which I was familiar. It would be nice to have an explanation of the name change included in the article.--Diablorex (talk) 01:03, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The books that he wrote prior to his name change was under the name Paul, so it's a little bit strange there was no mention on it here. Can anyone shed any light on that? Here's one that I found: . The source seem to be "Paul Yonggi Cho interviewed by C. Peter Wagner, "Yonggi Cho Changes His Name," Charisma & Christian Life, November 1992, 80" Bennylin (talk) 14:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Conflict of interest and POV concerns
This article currently appears to be "managed" by supporters who have apparently succeeded at relegating controversies and criticisms to a bottom section -- this violates both WP:COI and WP:NPOV. elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (be free) 22:41, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

The Korean version of this article has been similarly censored as well, but I do not know enough Korean to fix it there. elle vécut heureuse à jamais  (be free) 22:43, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Meaningless
Under "Controversies", the sentence "Cho is G-12 (Charismatic)" is meaningless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 12:48, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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No suspicion
I have added a new section about Cho's conviction yesterday for tax evasion. I'm sure it can be expanded greatly. SmilingFace (talk) 23:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * His conviction seems like a notable controversy, shouldn't it be mentioned in the lede?LM2000 (talk) 21:02, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Cho has three sons. The second and third sons are very productive and work in church-related ministries. His eldest son has been the prodigal. He has been married four times and has been involved in sexual scandals with national personalities. In addition, he has served prison time for investment scams and embezzlement. His scandalized life has been an embarrassment to his family and the church.

Twelve years ago, this son purposely defrauded the church in excess of $12 million in a stock-related scheme. Cho testified that he trusted his elders and son and didn’t check and read the thousands of pages of paperwork, which was prepared for him to sign. Because Cho relied upon the direction of his choice elders and son, he signed the papers. He never received any monies from the transaction.

Third, the presiding judge said, “The court considered that even though Pastor Cho had the final say in the church, he never took the lead in any of the crimes, including tax evasion, committed on the suggestion of the accounting firm.”

The court also considered Cho’s life journey as a religious leader and his long-term contribution to social welfare as mitigating circumstances on his behalf. The court ruled that his son, Cho Hee-Jun, was the instigator of the crime related to the purchase of the shares of 1-Service stock.

Even though Cho established the world’s largest church, with more than 1 million members, he lives a simple life in a 1,000-square-foot church apartment. Neither does he own a car. Cho has raised and given personally to the church more than $170 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.110.211 (talk) 10:54, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * This information should be on the main page. More of Whackypedia's Yellow Journalism.71.2.181.241 (talk) 10:16, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

In June 2016,This incident became a non-prosecution because "no suspicion".Cross20131109 (talk) 23:13, 8 July 2016 (UTC)