Talk:Davy Jones's locker/Archive 1

Cleanup
The variations section is copied directly from various "talk like a pirate" websites, and the phrases - including the shortened form "Davy's Locker" - return few google results, and so have been removed. –MT 08:04, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

The word "locker", in nautical terms, refers to the trunk that contains all of a sailor's possesions. While this could imply that going to Davy Jones' Locker means becoming one of his possesions, it is more likely that it means dieing at sea is in fact going to the place where Davy Jones lives.

Pics from the movie
At canmag.com, there is a great pic of Davy.

The comingsoon website doesn't appear to work anymore.

Never fear, I have added one myself. I shrank it a bit, feel free to make the actual image smaller if I'm violating a rule (I don't think I am, though. ViceroyInterus 00:06, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Gee, thanks, I actually wanted to see that film. No guessing who the villain is now ~_~ (Darien Shields 23:31, 9 July 2006 (UTC))


 * I suppose you've never seen the trailer, or the posters, or the TV spots? Or do you just live in a cave? There is a spolier warning, you should have noticed that and flown off. Ah well, at least you didn't learn the plot of the film. It could have been worse.ViceroyInterus 01:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Spongebob
The spongebob section should say the "Frying Dutchman" which is obviously a play on the flying dutchman... i dont know how to word that well though

It shouldn't. He has always been the Flying Dutchman, and not once has his name been changed. ViceroyInterus 14:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I Don't have the DVD's here, but the Frying Dutchman isn't a often used name. His name is Flying Dutchman, and he even has an video game named after him: SpongeBob SquarePants: Revenge of the Flying Dutchman (2002) [[User:62.194.99.62|62.194.99.62]


 * There is a restaurant in the Simpsons named the Frying Dutchman, run by the Sea Captain. Might that be what the first poster had in mind? --StarChaser Tyger 00:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Davy Jones' Heart
According to |this interview with Bill Nighy, the legend of Davy Jones as told in the Pirates movies was already known to him. Apparently it's part of the real mythology of the saying, at least in England. He says everyone in England knows it. So shouldn't it be on this page? Anyone from England have any thoughts? --209.237.87.164 19:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not that I want to argue with Mr Nighy, who I've a lot of respect for, but I'm British (I live in England) and I'd never heard of the legend of Davy Jones as told in the movie. I'd heard of Davy Jones's Locker.  I'd heard of the Flying Dutchman.  I'd never heard that the two went together - I didn't even know Davy Jones had a ship.  I'd certainly never heard anything about a heart in a chest.
 * Mind you, having said all that, I do live as far from the sea as it's possible to get on our tiny island, so maybe I'm just the Brit who's most clueless about nautical legend. - Shrivenzale 10:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

GA nom
Davy Jones' Locker is on hold. I feel that the bullet points should be converted to prose, in paragraph form. Citations are good, but just the bullet points. Iola k ana |T 18:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Article has passed! Iola k ana |T  18:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

GA progress
Article has passed, it is now recommended to record progress of the article. Iola k ana |T 18:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Mario RPG
"Jonathan Jones is a character from the game Super Mario RPG, who is likely a reference to Davy Jones". Is this some sort of joke?
 * No Judgesurreal777 16:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. This article has way to many refferences. I dont need to know every time the words "davy jones" were ever said in a television show, video game, or book.


 * Keep. Otherwise we should do away with the pop culture reference section altogether.


 * Nope. Theres a pretty clear line between references and nonsense

GA Status
The second reference appears to have no text, if that's not actually a reference, this article doesn't have enough to count as "Well-referenced", and I don't feel it would meet the Good Article standards. I'm going through a sweep right now, and some other uses may do so soon as well, and they may fail this article if the reference can't be replaced or something. It might even be hidden in bad ref code or something, I dunno. Homestarmy 18:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It is definitely hidden, it is a great newspaper article. I am trying to get it to re appear, since I believe the article is still online. Judgesurreal777 22:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, it appears to of gone off-line now. Homestarmy 19:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

usage error makes the title and its pronunciation incorrect
WP's manual of style states:
 * Possessives of singular nouns ending in "s" should generally maintain the additional "s" after the apostrophe. However, if a form without an "s" after the apostrophe is much more common for a particular word or phrase, follow that form, such as with "Moses' Laws" and "Jesus' tears".

The only literature quoted in the article, such as Daniel Dafoe, writes "Davy Jones's" not "Davy Jones'." This isn't an older or obsolete form of English, and the incorrect "Jones'" is not established. "Jones's" is the correct possessive form of the singular "Jones." On the other hand, "Jones'" is the plural possessive of the (hypothetical) name "Jone." Worse, everyone pronounces "Jones's" correctly, with two syllables, but "Jones'" only has one syllable. This article is making a trivial error of modern English usage right up front in its title, but I don't know how to edit such a glaring mistake. Until this is fixed, I don't see how it can be called a Good Article, so I am asking to have its status reviewed. 0-0-0-Destruct-0 03:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In playing devil's advocate, I would have to say that the main problem with this is that the search engines for Google, MSN and Yahoo! have "Davy Jones' Locker" outnumbering "Davy Jones's Locker" in search results. Even though it's assumed that it is a locker belonging to a Davy Jones, the prevalent "Davy Jones' Locker" would have you assume that it would actually be for more than one person named Davy Jone.
 * Moreover, as the term is idiomatic, the correct spelling is not fixed (particularly in this subject's case, as "Davy" is sometimes spelled "Davey" or "Davie"); the most prevalent usage of the term takes more adherence over the one that is grammatically correct. Slof 14:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not intending to be pedantic with this. This particular usage error is made all the time in other contexts, which I don't support but am not going to fret over. My beef in our case is that everyone says Jones's with two syllables. It's embarrassing to see the very title, for pete's sake, clashing with this most oral of phrases. The variants of "Davy" don't suffer from this. I would say that mere outnumbering on Google shouldn't prevent the simple fix of changing the page's title, but such a change requires higher WP privileges. 0-0-0-Destruct-0 18:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is one of those bizarre grammar rules that only true grammarians seem to be aware of. An "S" with no apostrophe denotes plural, an apostrophe-S denotes possessive (not necessarily singular possessive since some words in plural do not add an "S"), and an S-apostrophe denotes plural possessive.  However, this only applies to ordinary nouns; proper nouns ending in "S" or "Z" (such as "Jones") only take on an apostrophe when denoting possessive.  Thus the correct construction is indeed "Davy Jones' Locker."  At least that's the usage style taught by Associated Press Style. Nolefan32 02:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * IMHO, if Associated Press says that, then Associated Press is wrong. More constructively: whatever AP's style manual says, Wikipedia has a style manual of its own which trumps other organizations' style manuals in this context, and (as 0-0-0-Deconstruct-0 said) Wikipedia's style manual is pretty clear on this point.  As 0-0-0-Deconstruct-0 also said, changing it to "Jones's" would also be supported by the more general rule that we follow common usage.  The common usage in this case is definitely "Jones's." 129.97.79.144 17:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Good article Review this article being reviewed for delisting from Good Article status
SEE Good article Review] this article being reviewed for delisting from Good Article status. --Ling.Nut 01:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Should we...
I just got a free Limited Edition CD called: "Disney's Ultimate Swashbuckler 10-Song CD Collection" with my copy of Pirates 2, and I was thinking we should put, in the music section, a mention to the song Forty Fathoms deep, which is all about Davy Jones. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.136.21.60 (talk) 02:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

Good Article review
A Good Article review on this article has ended, and in a 4 to 0 vote, (I assumed the "hold on" didn't mean either way) this article has been delisted, primarily for references and the parts in "popular culture" that are structured like lists instead of paragraphs. To answer the question, i'm not sure if it can be fixed, many of these popular section type things in my experience end up being sort of like a, well, garbage bin for anyone to just add in anything that even slightly relates to the topic, no matter how unimportant :/. Think about just removing everything that's not really amazing or notable, because otherwise, everything there is mostly not referenced anyway, so finding references might be rather annoying. Dispute archived here: Good articles/Disputes/Archive 11. Homestarmy 02:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This material was not needed in DJL, perhaps it belongs somewhere else? &mdash; In the movie, the story follows that Davy Jones was once an average sailor who fell in love with a beautiful woman as "changing and harsh and as untameable as the sea." When he could not have her, the pain was so much that he cut out his still-beating heart, and sealed it in a chest, so that he would never have to feel love, compassion or the pain that can come from feeling them again. In the scriptwriter's commentary on the movie's DVD, one of the writers state that Davy Jones' Locker is not death per se, but spending an eternity with the thing you hate or are afraid of most.&mdash;Newbyguesses 08:37, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Failed "good article" nomination
This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of June 7, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:


 * 1. Well written?: Fine
 * 2. Factually accurate?: Minimal referencing, so no.
 * 3. Broad in coverage?: Fine
 * 4. Neutral point of view?: Fine
 * 5. Article stability? Fine
 * 6. Images?: There are none. All GA's should have some sort of images.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you for your work so far. — G1  gg  y  !  Review me! 04:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)