Talk:Dawn Langley Simmons

Chronology Problem
There's a chronology problem here somewhere - the article states that Dawn met Edward Ball while restoring her house. Since she moved out of the house not too long after her marriage, this restoration took place before or not long after 1969, at which point the Edward Ball who wrote the book about her was (according to the date of birth in his article) about eleven years old. Perhaps his father? What's the source for this connection, anyway - his book? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.221.67.18 (talk) 04:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Withnail and I
It is Gordon Langley Hall to whom the character Marwood refers in the 1985 film Withnail and I when he reads from the newspaper "I had to become a woman".[citation needed] OK, I'm watching this film now, and at 3 minutes 43 seconds into the film the title and the name Gordon Langley Hall are clearly visible in the frame. How do I write this up as a citation? Does it break WP:PRIMARY? Sophie means wisdom (talk) 21:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've also verified this at 3:43. It's fine to cite the film with the appearance time; this becomes a primary source that it appeared in the film. It would be helpful if this was reported in a secondary source, or if the author of the screenplay, or the director, discussed it. I've cited the film. --Lexein (talk) 16:07, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Jack Hitt article

 * October 1998 GLAAD alert about Jack Hitt's GQ magazine article "Delta Dawn, What's That Frock That You Have On?". ---Lexein (talk) 07:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Daughter
I assume Natasha Simmons was adopted. Should this not be clarified? CulturalSnow (talk) 10:10, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

There are lots of stories about where Natasha came from, but everyone agrees that Dawn acted pregnant and claimed to have given birth to her. I think the later sources found that she was an illegitimate child of Dawn's husband's, but since I don't have a source at hand I can't add it to the article. --114.145.1.79 (talk) 13:23, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I am reading a biography of her right now (not finished so more may be revealed), but so far it appears that the subject was a female, or mostly/partly (?) female since birth, and her daughter maintains that she is her biological child.24.0.133.234 (talk) 11:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

From one article on her: "Mrs. Simmons said she was born with an adrenal abnormality that causes the female genitalia to resemble a man's and was thus raised as a boy. She always maintained that she was -- unequivocally -- female." - this would suggest that the "reassignment surgery" was corrective surgery.

In another article: "Simmons claimed in her autobiographical account that she was born intersex with ambiguous external genitalia and intact female organs that would enable her to have children. A “simple” procedure to correct this was performed at Johns Hopkins in 1968, although there is said to be evidence suggesting there was never any sexual ambiguity and that what Hall actually had performed was a complete sex change operation."

So it seems to be unclear what happened, and whether the daughter could have biologically been hers or not. Istara (talk) 16:24, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Margaret Rutherford connection
This is in the article on Margaret Rutherford:

"In the 1950s, Rutherford and Davis unofficially adopted the writer Gordon Langley Hall, then in his twenties. Hall later had gender reassignment surgery and became Dawn Langley Simmons, under which name she wrote a biography of Rutherford in 1983."

I don't see any mention of this connection in the Simmons article. I don't know anything about it so cannot make the necessary changes.184.175.5.219 (talk) 14:59, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

age?
The infobox says that she died in her 60's. Further-down a linked obit says "77". Researching a book about her, I've come-across a claim that she took 15 years off of her age. Also-just a question of style here, for the parts of her life which she lived as a male, is there a reason we do not use the "he" pronoun and then switch-over to "she/her"?24.0.133.234 (talk) 21:29, 28 June 2014 (UTC)