Talk:Daybreak (2010 TV programme)

Too many infoboxes
This article only has provisional information for now and is too cluttered with tables. A few brief paragraphs are sufficient until the new show goes live. Consider removing some of these tables as they are 'too much information'.LarkinToad2010 (talk) 21:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by LarkinToad2010 (talk • contribs) 21:04, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest keeping all those old GMTV infoxes off this article and only adding infoboxes with confirmed presenters and 'experts', etc. until they are citable. It is pointless adding a rollcall of the old GMTV crew here as it is clear that Daybreak will be a completely new format and its details are sketchy at present. Chiles and Bleakley are the lead presenters and don't clutter with old GMTV stuff.LarkinToad2010 (talk) 21:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

It isn't 'ITV Daybreak', it's 'Daybreak' (ITV)
The title has been altered to give the wrong information. ITV isn't calling it 'ITV Daybreak' as yet, it's called 'Daybreak'. Neither the logo nor the website call it ITV Daybreak so don't give it that name. It's being described as ITV1's new breakfast show and is not as yet using the generic 'ITV' prefix.LarkinToad2010 (talk) 12:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Total mess
This article was fine but became a total mess due to the insertion of info box format when the show's team has not been verified as yet.

The lead presenters Chiles and Bleakley should be in the intro not down in info boxes. There is no 'current team' as Daybreak has not yet aired. The article has been ruined and needs major repair to undo the infobox damage. The article can be given a more structured format once all details are verified and it's scheduled. It is not a GMTV article, it's about a new show, Daybreak which is only just being put together.LarkinToad2010 (talk) 10:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Tom Southwell (no user page) vandalism
There's a pest who keeps clogging up this entry with infoboxes before all the programme details are known and fiddling with this and the GMTV page removing links, etc. Can we keep this to Daybreak and keep all the old GMTV stuff to a minimum? Also avoid adding running times, etc. until the show is scheduled and up and running? I am trying to reference but if the whole page is vandalised it is very difficult to restore all the refs as old edits cannot be restored.LarkinToad2010 (talk) 20:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Please don't forget to assume good faith on the part of other editors - "vandalism" usually means blanking the page, adding nonsense or offensive comments and so forth, rather than simply adding wrong information. I agree that as nobody knows much about this programme yet it's not a good idea to add speculative sections, but it's best not to get too wound up about it. Once more information becomes available, the article will be able to be improved - this is really just a holding page at the moment. Bob talk 20:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the edits I made that are apparent vandalism, I just went by the information officially released and sourced all information as well, I'll hold off next time. Also the only 'GMTV' information added was the fact that some members of the team used to present on GMTV. Just as on the GMTV page it states the members of the team who used to present on TV:AM. Tom_Southwell (talk) 23:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

A note on the title
Unless it's referred to as "ITV Daybreak" when the programme launches, the actual onscreen title is simply "Daybreak", as it's the name of a programme not a network (a bit like "Sunrise" is Sky News' version). These promotional trailers just call it "Daybreak". "ITV Breakfast" is the name of the parent company (which is replacing GMTV). Bob talk 20:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It is most definitely 'Daybreak' (ITV) and not until further notice, 'ITV Daybreak'. After ITV Digital and ITV Play maybe they have deliberately avoided the jaded ITV- prefix?LarkinToad2010 (talk) 23:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Chiles and Bleakley gone AWOL
havnt got a source yet but Kate Garraway and Dan Lobb were presenting today and looked to be making a better job of it.--Penbat (talk) 08:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It was on Daybreak's Facebook page yesterday and Twitter so they have not gone "AWOL". It is hardly worthy of being in the intro section! Pointer1 (talk) 10:07, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Undoing edits
Somebody keeps undoing updates and moving sections. Could they stop as these updates are carefully done and the re-edits are not good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.167.60 (talk) 13:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Daybreak axed? True or false?
If the media reports are true, flop ITV breakfast show Daybreak has been axed due to its ratings bombing and it will end at the end of November. The presenters are said to have told that the show is being "wound up". So keep a look out for confirmation of this rumour and references to back it up in due course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.12.94 (talk) 14:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Nothing but speculation. Unless there is an announcement from ITV, this should not be in the article Pointer1 (talk) 15:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there will be quiet "announcement" before very long ;-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.147.153 (talk) 19:00, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Bleakley award
Bleakley's award is highly relevant to this article as it is receiving widespread media coverage. So don't keep removing researched citations which take time to edit! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.139.31 (talk) 13:53, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The award is an individual one. (Cosmo’s Ultimate Women of the Year Awards) There is nothing to indicate that this is for her performance on Daybreak. The award belongs in the winner's article, not this one. The clue is in the award "Ultimate Women of the Year", not "Ultimate Women of the last 2 months". Pointer1 (talk) 17:04, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The award was made in the context of the flagging ratings and is in all the media. Therefore, like most of your edits, this act undermines the validity of this article.  There were no errors in my original edits, it's just a shame my good edits are vulnerable to the usual editing wars on this site.  See earlier edits for the proper information.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.139.31 (talk) 18:36, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Doctoring edits
I have tried to include a balance between facts on the state of ratings. It is widely reported that the show is in trouble so the audience research is part of the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.84.8 (talk) 13:28, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Photos
It would be a good idea to have an updated photo of the set since the revamp. The 'promotion' image is well out of date by now. Suggest a shot of Chiles and Bleakley with the illuminated clock wall behind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.226.0 (talk) 21:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The current image is fine, it's not meant to show off the set, just the presenters, reporters, etc. etc. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 21:53, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

An updated shot of the revamped studio with the "clock wall" would be an informative addition. The pre-launch shot is dated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.227.192 (talk) 22:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes they've changed the set (a bit), but the main focus of the image is of the presenting team. However if you can find a good image showing the updated set, please upload it (but not over the current) --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 14:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Edits
As the originator of this article, I have added excellent updates on ratings, etc. They are not "vandalism" and don't revert referenced comments that take my time to research.

Essential upgrades
Now that Chiles and Bleakley have spoken frankly about the show, I am adding in selected quotes but avoiding press speculation and excess negativity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.243.108 (talk) 08:47, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Big changes on the way
There will be big changes to both Daybreak and this page in due course. The changes here will be explained in due course. Do not revert updates in the meantime as this loses information for archiving. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.150.97 (talk) 14:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Guest list
As this kind of programme has a celebrity on every day plugging various things, I don't think it's a great idea including a "guest list". I think it's worth noting a few (Blair on the first day, for example), so I've integrated that with the format section. I've also removed a few of the duplicate subheadings. Bob talk 21:46, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Ertv44, 29 January 2011
Would like to be able to edit Daybreak(ITV)

Ertv44 (talk) 15:28, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You need to ask what you want changing here, so someone can perform the action on the article. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 17:25, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a note if you want to edit you need to be autoconfirmed which means that you are at least 4 days old and have at least 10 edits. Or you could ask it to be unprotected at WP:RFPP. Baseball   Watcher  20:50, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Lobb and Garraway now regular weekday stand-ins
The intro and infobox should now acknownowledge that Dan Lobb and Kate Garraway are now part of the regular presenting team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.247.204 (talk) 08:18, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

6 months of Daybreak
It's now 6 months since the launch of Daybreak, a miracle after the shaky launch? I have added some updates which suggest that all is not totally well at Daybreak Towers despite the levelling out of the ratings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.68.36 (talk) 12:57, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

NB not being 'incorporated' being integrated more closely with ITV news. 4PP Fridays old news, doesn't need an infobox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.68.36 (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Updates
I have updated some of the outdated sections and refreshed the info on the set now that it has shifted back to a GMTV look. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.109.186 (talk) 00:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Musicical features
I have tried to update the music content but a serial reverter keeps putting back the old stuff. Would they stop and understand that the show has moved on since autumn 2010? Reverting updates is vandalism.

Pictures
It would be nice idea to feature the new look set as the present shot of the launch look is now very dated. It's all red and orange now, not dark purple.

Warning: reversions
This article is almost impossible to update due to the attentions of a serial TV article reverter. The person concerned keeps putting back infoboxes on "artists" who left Daybreak months ago and thinks they need TWO mentions and yet reverted an essential update on a CURRENT weather stand-in. Old material does NOT need two mentions and this pattern of compulsive reverting is vandalism. And the set IS looking like GMTV. See  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.148.109.186 (talk) 06:59, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

On air team
Moved on air team details to new article List of Daybreak presenters and reporters so information is easier to find & shorterns Daybreak (ITV) article lenghth. This is Drew (talk) 12:54, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't like this, no consensus for such a change, put it back on main page and consult before making major changes that muck up articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.157.178 (talk) 20:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Vandal alert
A vandal has been at work adding unsourced changes and destroying this article. All uncitable changes will be removed. It has also been at work on the list of presenters and will not be tolerated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.165.29 (talk) 07:40, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Warning
Don't use sneaky intermediate edits to remove essential updates. Sarcasm in the edit summaries is also bad form. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.45.158 (talk) 12:42, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Anniversary overhaul
I am proposing to give this article a tidy-up as the show gets closer to the first year on air. I suggest reducing some of the old material on the launch and collapsing down many of the sub-sections on performance, ratings, etc. It's all a bit rambling and overloaded with detail at the moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.226.92 (talk) 18:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I have given the article a tidy-up to remove some of the excess and dated material and make it more compact and readable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.226.92 (talk) 22:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I have moved some items and added refs to changes to set. Outdated features have been trimmed. Would help if not reverted as show undergoing a lot of changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.98.14 (talk) 22:23, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

What the F*&^
Why did the logo colour changed from purple to goldenbrown, I WANT THE OLD LOGO BACK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.84.166 (talk) 16:05, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 April 2012
I have sources inside ITV and would like to clear up vandalism when needed as this page gets it quite a lot. Also nothing has been mentioned about taking inspiration from GMA/ Seven Sunrise or Nine Today on;y NBC Today and GMTV and that hasn't been confirmed by ITV

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Daybreak axed by ITV
Digital Spy has confirmed that Daybreak is being axed pending offical announcement.http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/a378917/daybreak-to-be-axed-by-itv.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.8.156 (talk) 22:54, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

IP
Though it's not a problem, there have been a lot of IP edits, which may or may not be a reason why this article isn't at a good standard. Make sure we have this watch listed, please :)--Chip123456 20:34, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

October 2013 rewrite
Despite the information readily available and easy to locate via the suitable sub headings, the sentences are seemingly thrown together and as a whole the article has no flow, some (often trivial) information often repeated, references misplaced/missing. Etc. This is Drew (talk) 18:33, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Page Name
Just declined 3 different speedies as attempt to move page to 3 different names - discuss any page rename here - use procedure at WP:RM  Ron h jones  (Talk) 22:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 1

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The result of the proposal was moved. Having arrived at this name from consensus at an RM, it should not have been moved back unilaterally. Given the concerns noted above, I'm move-protecting after I revert that move. If Zackdichens12 or anyone else wants to move it, they should start a new RM, not act alone. --BDD (talk) 21:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Daybreak (ITV1 TV programme) → Daybreak (2010 TV series) – Reverting of an undiscussed move by, back to the name of a discussed move at Talk:Daybreak (1983 TV series). Further more 'ITV1' has not been used for more than a year now, and does not include Northern Ireland, Central and Northern Scotland.  axg //  ✉  ]] ''' 18:22, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Support per nom - Why it was moved time & time again is a mystery but (2010 TV series) is better and again ITV1 is no more.... - →Davey 2010→ →Talk to me!→  18:42, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
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Requested move 2

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:13, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Daybreak (2010 TV series) → Daybreak (2010 TV programme) – Not a series. Unreal7 (talk) 07:32, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Support - Well spotted!, It's not a series at all. - →Davey 2010→ →Talk to me!→  07:44, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Support Erroneous disambiguator. walk victor falktalk 01:45, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment it is a series of episodes, so clearly is a TV series. It is more than one episode, so is not just a TV programme. Since the TV show was not divided into years, it is a single TV series, and not a set of series either. -- 70.24.250.235 (talk) 04:13, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Support - Well spotted!, Unreal7 It's completely not a series at all.  →Zackdickens12 →  →Talk to me!→    10:15, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
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Requested move 3

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The result of the proposal was not moved. - As per AxG the page has been moved far too many times and had caused quite alot of chaos. Please read WP:Requested moves. - →Davey 2010→ →Talk to me!→  14:34, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Daybreak (2010 TV programme) → Daybreak (ITV TV programme) – Belongs to ITV. →Zackdickens12 → →Talk to me!→  09:40, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


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Requested move 4

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The result of the proposal was not moved per the previous close comment. - →Davey 2010→ →Talk to me!→  13:27, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Daybreak (2010 TV programme) → Daybreak (ITV) - Belongs to ITV, is not just 2010 and is not just a TV programme. Kind regards, →Zackdickens12 →  →Talk to me!→  14:23, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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Requested move 5

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The result of the proposal was for the third time not moved per previous comment. - →Davey 2010→ →Talk to me!→  15:45, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Daybreak (2010 TV programme) → Daybreak (ITV TV programme) – Belongs to ITV and is not just 2010. →Zackdickens12 → →Talk to me!→  14:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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Axing
The article needs a copyedit given that the subject is now historical. --Ef80 (talk) 20:38, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Unprotection

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The result of the proposal was Not done as no valid reason was given.. - →Davey 2010→ →Talk to me!→  14:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi and I want this page to be unprotected. →Zackdickens12 → →Talk to me!→  18:12, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The page has been moved far too many times sorry. →Davey 2010→  →Talk to me!→  18:13, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Why? What do plan on doing? --  axg //  ✉  ]] ''' 18:16, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

NOTHING. →Zackdickens12 → →Talk to me!→  07:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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