Talk:Daylighting (streams)

Summary: + ft, + head, wikify Further r; see Talk. Explication: Add short (and longer) full text (ft) examples, add headings Projects and Some neighborhoods, add wiki format for links in Further reading and move to Bibliography; see Discussion. Summary per Edit summary legend. See also Talk:Seattle, Citing sources.

References having authors have conventional short form citation:, with complete reference in Bibliography, less page numbers.

--GoDot 09:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

"[B]rought back to surface" is metaphorical, implying the earlier 20th century naval maneuver as well as the experience of miners. "[A]fter dramatic collapses in water quality": the problems were not and are not one-time. "[S]treams were increasingly buried with post-World War II growth" is casting with use of the present tense as a means of sympathy with the aggressive construction development mindset that left a legacy of cost today. "[S]choolchildren" implies a level of stodgy formality that is less than appropriate to the real-world, hands-on activity entailed; "juvenile salmon school kids have put" has a symmetry. "[W]ildlife such as", since the problem is prominently not dense populations of diverse species, but dense populations of few species, often non-native, not appropriate to the sustaining capacity of the environment. "Among" is not the same as "amongst". Amongst is the older form, appropriate in connotation with "iconic" and salmon running. "This is similar to such as" is for a tenuous analogy, temporary until other editors expand a little or contribute substantial, diverse examples of urban restoration of watercourses. (This was for KarenAnn : ) "[W]ill be looking" is active tense, in complement to the activity in the paragraph toward a better future. City of Seattle, City of Shoreline are proper proper nouns, the formal names.

Links lead to stubs such as Pipers Creek, Venema Creek, Mohlendorph Creek, etc., and Broadview that contain unreferenced text that is not consistent with found sources. Text in spun off Pipers Creek is not consistent with Pipers Creek, and more. Would all this kind of info be more useful in an integrated, overarching article providing context? &mdash;at least until that article surpasses Wikipedia recommended size. Quality could thereby be facilitated also. Essentiallly, see Daylighting # Some neighborhoods.

"'That Michael Moore likes canadian bacon may be verifiable, however that fact is not encyclopedic' [...] rather sums up [...] Wikipedia" [ quoted somewhere on a Wikipeida: or Talk:Wikipedia page, regarding notablity. ]
 * This can well apply to the diffuse propagation of trivial stubs. --14:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Starting out on a good footing can help toward desired goal: Good articles. "Certainly all articles, including stubs, should cite references" [ Source: Template:Unreferenced ] This can save backtracking. Please see boxes, "Wikipedia:Verifiability # The policy" and preceding "This policy in a nutshell" and Verifiability. Please see also Reliable sources

Proposing as I do to follow the consentient testimony of historians, I shall give the differences in their narratives under the writers' names. Tacitus, Annals XIII, 20 - Church/Brodribb translation. [ Verifiability ]

--GoDot 14:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Requests for expansion
I am a novice user who added the Vancouver, BC example projects This was for BIOL 345, a UBC class. I'm looking for constructive criticism, or people who know about projects in other parts of Canada.

--OptimizeThis (talk) 21:05, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

The following could be particularly useful: Expand term used for public process, what implementation actually means, what resolutions for conflicts of interests. Why daylighting is worthwhile. So far, we have just a summary drawn from the Berkeley city planning department.

Expand /* Systems */ with diverse examples.

Expand /* Other places */ with diverse examples. See also daylighting at Talk:Stream, Talk:Water resources.

--GoDot 14:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm going to replace your "expand" tags with a "context" tag because it seems like that is what you're asking for. If you'd prefer to keep the expand tags, that is fine with me. shotwell 21:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Article Needs More Cleanup
I've made some editorial changes to this article with the goal of making it more readible. Overall it is much too long for a general encyclopedic description of Stream Daylighting. I propose that it be split into two articles: 1) A general description of Stream Daylighting and the supposed benefits.  2) A history of stream daylighting in Seattle. Most of the article is about item #2 which gives it a sense of rambling off topic.

What do you think?

Mfero 10:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the Seattle case study is interesting, but overwhelms the topic as well as significantly violating the neutral point of view. While I understand that daylighting is a generally popular concept in urban areas, I would like to see some discussion of the downsides - cost, property rights issues, interruption of existing infastructure, exposure of pollutants, etc. Both topics (1) and (2) are lacking in this area.

Flowery statements like "They combine the best elements of the 1930’s Civilian Conservation Corps with those of the Peace Corps." don't strike me as neutral or very relevant. I think the social/ community organization/ activist viewpoint could be condensed into a much neater summary under a separate heading - that would make the article much cleaner.

Agree?

~anon May 11, 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.232.211.130 (talk) 21:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

While all the description about Seattle community activism is nice, how many of these streams were ever buried underground and then "daylighted?" From my reading, only one example cited for Seattle actually fits the requirements of a stream that was completely covered over by development and then subsequently had the bridging structure removed. Both the Yonkers, NY and Seoul, South Korea projects are textbook examples while virtually all the Seattle streams are your run of the mill community clean-ups. I suggest the entire Seattle section be moved to a completely new entry called "Community Stream Restoration (Seattle)" and more technical "engineering based" definition be written with better documented and expanded descriptions of the Yonkers and Seoul projects used as examples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.229.130.160 (talk) 06:59, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Seattle?
The text for the streams under the Seattle subheading just has to do with restoration work in general, not just daylighting. Many make no reference to daylighting whatsoever, and it's unclear if these streams were ever even diverted underground. Boo! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.193.166 (talk) 20:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

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