Talk:Dayton, Ohio/Archive 1

Dayton Mayor
I would like to point out that gary Litzel is not yet the mayor of dayton, so listing him as the mayor is false —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.165.126 (talk) 03:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Unverified image
Anyone care to investigate whether the image in this article from ohiobiz.com is legit permission? -- user:zanimum

Dayton flood
The Dayton flood, which I always remember as an important part of it's history, seems to be severly skimped over.
 * The newest revision introduces it; hopefully later contribution can expand on it. ~ Dpr 07:51, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems to have a number of different names, the most prominent being The Great Flood Of 1913. The souvenir photo booklet that I have about the flood and fires just refers to the event as The Terrible Flood Of 1913, a calamity affecting multiple cities (Dayton, Columbus, Hamilton, others), so I am hesitant to refer to it as the Dayton flood, although I'm pretty certain Dayton got the worst of it. &mdash; mjb 10:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone just finished rewritting it: Great Dayton Flood --Kjmoran 03:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Lead section/geography

 * The city is in the southwest quadrant of the state; most official and government designations place it in west-central Ohio, an area that colloquially often refers to Lima, Ohio.

I moved the foregoing sentence from the lead section to the Geography section. --Dpr 07:58, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Birthplace of Aviation
I think the nickname "Birthplace of Aviation" is adopted by the State of Ohio (since many aviation pioneers are from the state, not just the Wright brothers); but Dayton itself doesn't use the nickname.


 * The state uses "Birthplace of Aviation," but many Dayton civic groups were using it long ago -- and it's on printed material from the Dayton Convention and Vistors Bureau and WPAFB referring specifically to Dayton. --Heen (talk) 06:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, the "Gem City" nickname isn't used anymore except on maybe a few billboards around town for the last remaining business to use the nickname. Peyna 15:13, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


 * These nicknames might be on the wane, but I don't think that warrants cutting them out of the article completely. "Gem City" is pretty significant as a part of Dayton history. Acsenray 19:47, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Huffman Prairie
Some more detailed information on the Wright Brothers' use of Huffman Prairie:


 * http://www.gl.iit.edu/wadc/History/Huffman/ (First flights at Huffman Prairie in May 1904)
 * http://www.nasm.si.edu/wrightbrothers/fly/1904/index.cfm

It seems that they did not make use of it at all prior to the flights at Kitty Hawk. They may have performed other non-powered "kite" tests around Dayton, but it seems their first powered flight did indeed take place at Kitty Hawk. Peyna 05:16, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * That was fast. Thanks! Since the article said before & after Kitty Hawk, I thought maybe they did unmanned glider (or even powered) flights at Huffman Prairie prior to their manned flights at Kitty Hawk, but I couldn't confirm that info, so that's why I requested that someone cite sources for the claim. &mdash; mjb 10:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Notable Natives
The list of notable natives is getting a little long for the rest of the article. While I'd hate to have to come up with some arbitrary criteria for conclusion, perhaps the list could be trimmed or organized in a better way so that it doesn't take up so much space? Peyna 21:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I at least organized them into groups so that we'll have a better idea of what we're dealing with. A table format might take care of it, but I'm not sure how well that would work across browsers. Peyna 22:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Although Mike Peters and Phil Donahue were associated with Dayton, they're not natives. Peters was only there as an adult (he's from St. Louis), and Donahue was born in Cleveland. I suspect some of the others in the list are not natives, either. I don't mind seeing them in the list, but the section needs to be retitled. As for its length, there is a way to make multi-column lists. I've seen it on other articles, but don't recall how it's done. Poke around a bit.—mjb 19:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * By my calculations, the following people listed under Notable Natives probably don't belong there (they weren't born in Dayton, or didn't "grow up" in Dayton, but they may have contributed a lot later in their lives):
 * Joe Eszterhas
 * Phil Donahue
 * Edward A. Deeds
 * Charles Kettering
 * Rick Derringer
 * James M. Cox (maybe)
 * Mike Peters
 * Given some of their importance to the area, perhaps we should just re-title the section? Peyna 22:15, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * the title has always bothered me a little for this very reason, so I endorse retitling. Notable citizens?David 23:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Notable Daytonians? Hoof Hearted 15:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Notable facts
It's stated that the parking meter was invented by a Daytonian, whereas it was actually invented by an Oklahoma Sooner (Carl Magee). Could this have been intended to be a reference to the Ohmer taxicab meter? David 00:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Victoria Theatre
The link under "Victoria Theatre" links to a Victoria Theatre in Singapore. I am new to Wikipedia and do not know how to cahnge this. I am not even sure if this is the right place to discuss this.
 * If you edit that section, you can change it from Victoria Theatre to Victoria Theatre, which will display the text "Victoria Theatre", but link to the wikipedia article for Victoria Theatre (Dayton, Ohio), which probably does not yet exist. Peyna 11:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

hidden gov
i was told, by someone associated with politics that dayton is where the people who really run the country are; that the UN meetings are there, and not in washington. anyone feel like adding details/proof of it?


 * Dayton, or more specifically, Wright-Patterson AFB is the center of a lot of Air Force related activity, and therefore a lot of such related discussions take place in the area. Wright-Patt used to hold a lot of the Air Force research, and Dayton was instrumental in a lot during WWII, but as far as politics, Dayton isn't involved much.  The only UN related thing here would be the Dayton Peace Accords.  Compared to Washington, not much happens out here.  The stuff that does it mostly due to the history of Dayton and the Air Force Base holding the Air Force Materiel Command. Peyna 22:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Demographics
Statement added about "segregated"... as a resident, I don't necessarily disagree with it, but how is that statement substantiated?
 * As of now, it doesn't seem to be. It should either be removed or supported with a citation to a reliable source. Mwillia9 06:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

What's with the idiocy of wiki editors?
I'm sick and tired of seeing significant info missing from wiki articles. Why is there not a single mention of the red light runner who slammed into a car, causing it to roll over a pedestrian? Yes I know not all incidents in all cities have to be mentioned, but the video of it was passed around the net like a 2 dollar @#!*%. See this for more info:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/carcrash01.asp


 * I'm sick and tired of anons ranting about information missing from articles rather than just posting it themselves! And I don't think a lot of wiki editors appreciate the implication that they are idiots.  I'll add your "significant" article under the trivia section.  Note that anyone can edit articles so next time, feel free to do it yourself.  Cheers.  Hoof Hearted 21:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Dog Fighting Bust
If you lived in Dayton, perhaps you would see why this is considered important. It's been a first-segment story on the news ever since Saturday. It's described as the "largest dog fighting ring in the state of Ohio" and the largest dog fighting case many of the federal agents have worked on. The seizure of 64 dogs is huge. I don't think we need to break down a timeline of the operation in an article on Dayton, but two sentences (with a reference) seems perfectly appropriate. Hoof Hearted 13:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but even the biggest local news is not necessarily encyclopedic. Remember, we are writing an encyclopedia, not a news report. This information belongs in the dog fighting article, not here. --- RockMFR 22:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with RockMFR on this one, no one will remeber a "dog fighting ring" in 10 or even 5 years from now. This is just as unencyclopedic as talking about dayton having the biggest drug bust in ohio, or the biggest gambling ring bust...basically it is not something that would be found in an encyclopedia and therefore I will be reverting it back. --Joebengo 22:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I respectfully disagree, but submit to your opinions. I don't see what is unencyclopedic about a brief anecdote to illustrate a crime issue.  Hoof Hearted 16:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Now if I could just get you guys to come over to Talk:2007 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament and support the same argument to eliminate the game-by-game summaries! :-)  Hoof Hearted 20:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Removal of information about elected officials?
I would like to question the removal of all the information about elected officials by anonymous user 58.237.36.172 on May 19, 2006. It seems to me that this is not trivial information and is appropriately included in the main page about a city. I propose to restore most of that information. Acsenray 15:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I wondered about that as well, but figured someone was trying to streamline the article. The removal of mostly non-notable red linked names seemed justified to me.  It also seemed like maintaining an elected offical list would require a certain amount of work, but I ultimately have no problem with its restoration.  If you bring it back, I'd suggest de-linking the red links.  Hoof Hearted 14:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

What is "Dayton"?
I have a problem listing all the cities in the "Dayton metropolitan area" in the lead paragraph. I propose we limit the description in the lead to the four counties that make up the Dayton MSA (Montgomery, Miami, Greene, and Preble) and describe the various political/statistical divisions lower in the body: I'm not certain how "official" all this data is, but if someone with more knowledge/research time could verify this I think it would make a worthwhile addition. Hoof Hearted 15:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Dayton Incorporated Image:Montgomerytownships.PNG
 * Neighborhoods of Dayton
 * Dayton suburbs (is this even a valid division?)
 * Beavercreek
 * Centerville
 * Clayton
 * Drexel
 * Englewood
 * Fairborn
 * Fort McKinley
 * Huber Heights
 * Kettering
 * Miamisburg
 * Moraine
 * Northridge
 * Oakwood
 * Page Manor
 * Riverside
 * Shiloh
 * Trotwood
 * Union
 * Vandalia
 * West Carrollton
 * Woodbourne-Hyde Park
 * Bellbrook?
 * Carlisle?
 * Franklin?
 * Middletown?
 * Springboro?
 * Dayton MSA Metropolitan Statistical Area
 * Greene County, Ohio - includes Xenia and Yellow Springs
 * Miami County, Ohio - includes Troy, Piqua, and Tipp City
 * Montgomery County, Ohio - includes Brookville and Germantown
 * Preble County, Ohio - includes Eaton and Lewisburg
 * Dayton-Springfield-Greenville, OH CSA Combined Statistical Area
 * Dayton MSA
 * Greenville, OH μSA
 * Springfield, OH MSA
 * Urbana, OH μSA
 * Greater Dayton Region
 * Dayton MSA
 * Butler County, Ohio - includes Hamilton and Oxford
 * Clark County, Ohio - includes Springfield and New Carlisle
 * Darke County, Ohio - includes Greenville and Versailles
 * Warren County, Ohio - includes Lebanon and Waynesville


 * Thank you Criticalthinker. Your edit is a great improvement on this matter.  Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:20, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Gem City
I've always heard that our fair city is nicknamed the "Gem City" because we were the "gem on the queen's crown," "Queen" referencing Cincinnati's nickname of "the Queen City." Does anyone object if I add this bit? Mvblair 12:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Crime Section
I object to the "Crime" section in this article. It's a pretty speculative and most city pages don't have such a section. As a resident of the city, I think our reputation is pretty skewed.

...Perhaps we could move the information here around the article a bit. For example, the sentences "Like many midwestern cities suffering from a declining manufacturing base, the city has seen a high poverty rate, although that rate declined during the 1990s.GM and its spinoff Delphi's factories, just to name a few, make up much of the city's employment." could be put toward the end of the history section. The paragraph "While the past five years have shown a general decrease in crime, Dayton has historically had high crime rates. According to FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in 2005 the crime rate per capita was more than twice the national average in the areas of murder, robbery, motor vehicle theft, rape, and burglary.[6] Dayton also had a the 3rd highest crime rate per capita in the State, putting Cleveland 1st, Cincinnati in 2nd and Toledo in 4th." could be put under demographics. The Rhine McClin statement is already mentioned on her Wikipedia entry. And while Dayton does look to have a high number of abandoned buildings, we need a citation for this. It might be the same proportion of abandoned buildings as any other city.

I'll wait a few days to see if anyone responds and then perhaps I'll make these changes. I'll be sure to note the changes so someone can dispute them if they so desire. Mvblair 12:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Some of the changes noted above will be included in an update of the Crime section (which may be renamed "Public Safety" -- any comments on that?) that will happen soon. Also planned are more specific references to the declining crime numbers and a mention that CQ Press crime rankings and their methodologies are considered controversial and flawed by some. Cityofdayton (talk) 18:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC) As a Dayton resident I am glad that the City of Dayton is doing everything it can to make the horrific situation in this city look better than it really is, including putting POV into wikipedia articles, probably by a city worker making $30/hr to do so... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.70.46.26 (talk) 14:05, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

The recently added "Despite these statiscal gains, Dayton remains only the 147th largest city in America by population, yet is the 19th most violent according to the FBI" is itself a POV because it is based on a ranking by CQ Press, not hard FBI stats. As indicated earlier, the methodology is widely considered flawed. City employee (not earning $30/hr.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cityofdayton (talk • contribs) 21:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Most city articles DO have a crime section. Take the articles Cincinnati, Ohio, Cleveland, Ohio, Akron, Ohio, and even St. Louis, Missouri. They all have crime sections. It is widely common to have a crime section on a city's page. I do agree that the statements on crime in Dayton need to be backed by hard and reputable stats and cited.Texas141 (talk) 00:55, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

How about naming the section "Crime and Public Safety"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.30.33.2 (talk) 13:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Huffy Bikes
Very minor detail, but what the heck: Huffy Bicycles was bought by NASCO around 2004. However, NASCO is based in Texas, and they planned to relocate there. As of a year ago when I temped there, they had not actually managed to move due to backup in accounts payable; I can't find any information on if they've finally relocated (the Huffy Bicycles website appears to have died). ..... so it could be removed! Or not. 71.65.127.227 (talk) 03:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Huffy moved its corporate headquarters to Centerville OH (a Dayton suburb) recently, but it is still very much a Dayton-area company. The Huffy bike web site is active, and according to the Huffy Wiki site, Huffy was purchased by Russell Corp in 2004. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.250.190.164 (talk) 22:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:DaytonFlag.gif
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Notable natives
The notable natives section of this article is getting absurd. It's way too long, IPs regularly add non-notables, and there's no reason all of them are listed in the article anyway. I propose removing every single one of them and placing them in a separate list, similar to List of people from Detroit. Anyone who needs to still be listed in this article should then be re-added to the prose of the article, not a gigantic list at the bottom. Comments? Newsboy85 (talk) 16:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I completely agree. Your suggestion is long overdue.  The TV/radio station lists could also be removed or split off - probably replaced with (hidden?) Dayton TV and Dayton Radio templates.  Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:33, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That's all I was waiting for. I'll take care of it as soon as I get a chance. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to be the only one watching the new page. Oh, and in case anyone was worried about the fate of the new page, List of people associated with San Francisco has already passed an AfD. I will put an unreferenced tag on it, like List of people from Chicago, because it needs one badly anyway. Newsboy85 (talk) 19:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll watch the new page too. Thanks for the effort, Newsboy85. -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

C class?
"C - This page is not an article and does not require a rating on the quality scale." What? Has anyone else even heard of C class? Not that I necessarily disagree, but what is that bot up to? Newsboy85 (talk) 00:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Huh, found my own answer - Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment. Newsboy85 (talk) 18:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Looking into 2010
Re: "Dayton is expected to merge with the Cincinnati Metropolitan area due to Cincinnati's growth northward into the Miami Valley. This will form the Cincinnati-Dayton Metroplex. The estimated 2010 population will exceed 3 million and will rank as the 15th most populated combined statistical area in the U.S. Reference:"Cinci-Dayton? Will expansion bring growth - or gridlock?" says "Experts predict the resulting megalopolis of about 3 million people would count as the nation's 15th-largest market." Cincinnati Enquirer, Sunday, March 11, 2007 " How about we remove it as speculative and unnecessary for encyclopedic coverage of "Dayton, Ohio"? It is sourced, yes, but it's still IMO WP:FUTURE and written as a given ("This will form", "will exceed", "will rank"). And it has more to do with Cinci-Dayton, Ohio than Dayton, Ohio or Cincinnati, Ohio (where it also appears). -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't have a problem with taking it out, if that's what is best. This is just an article I watch, not usually edit. It just seemed like an odd removal by an IP. Newsboy85 (talk) 14:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Attack on Islamic Society building
This is extremely likely to become an even more significant event in the near future; some mention of it should be made in the article, but local/regular editors will know best where to put it.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/09/27/ddn092608evacweb.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=16

205.167.180.132 (talk) 22:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced material

 * The city has a rich heritage of inventions and innovations, with more patents per capita than any other city in the nation. Some of these inventions include the powered airplane, cash register, the stepladder, microfiche, waterproof cellophane, pop top beverage cans, the movie projector, space food, the aircraft supercharger, the automobile self starter, leaded gasoline, CFCs, the portable crib, the ice cube tray, Cheez-It, and the parachute.


 * The first American Professional Football Association (precursor to the NFL) game was played in Triangle Park between the Dayton Triangles and the Columbus Panhandles on October 3, 1920.


 * The first All-American Soap Box Derby was held in Dayton on August 19, 1934. - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 03:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Dayton Seal
I feel that the seal of Dayton should remain in the article. I did not upload it, but I feel that it has rational for being a part of this article. It represents Dayton's history and gives readers of this article a better understanding of Dayton and what it represents. It has not and does not violate any Wikipedia codes and it is a very complimentary addition to the article as a whole. I hope to see that others can share more about this image and just how important it is to the furthering of this article. Texas141 (talk) 23:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No need to start a discussion. Per WP:NFCC it just neeed a fair use rationale added to its description. §hep   •  Talk  04:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Greyhound Language
The current wording of the second sentence sounds like an awkward advertisement, at best:

"Dayton also operates a Greyhound Lines bus station located downtown. This Greyhound station connects you to many popular destinations all over the country." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Airrore (talk • contribs) 17:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the wording of the Greyhound section. I agree with your take on the wording, it did sound like an advertisement.Texas141 (talk) 19:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

WHIO's rank
RE this: WHIO's rank has nothing encyclopedically to do with Dayton. It's a fine claim for the WHIO article (which is where it belongs). -- JHunterJ (talk) 19:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

WHIO information has been moved to it's respective article.Texas141 (talk) 22:48, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Some planned edits
Plan to add an image and minimal text about the city of Dayton's recently launched branding campaign - a new official slogan to be used for several years. Also there are many new skyline images available, will add one or more of those and perhaps replace the existing skyline image. Comments?

Your plan sounds good to me. Be sure when you start the section on the branding campaign that you have everything cited that needs to be. Also, I too have recently been aware that there are new skyline images of Dayton available as well. Adding a new image of the Dayton skyline is welcome. Texas141 (talk) 14:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Dillinger
Due to the recent publicity of the John Dillinger movie, would perhaps a small anecdote about his capture within Dayton by DPD be a worthwhile addition to the wiki?

Airrore (talk) 17:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Recent history edit
I have recently removed a section of unecessary information in the history section of the article. The section was basically a compilation of names and such that has no real notability in the article. All of the information that I removed was uncited and had no links to other articles.Texas141 (talk) 22:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


 * You got a bad reaction; deleting the whole section was bitey. That section is verifiable, e.g. see . It would have been better had you trimmed it and looked for sources instead of wholesale deleting. Surely the founding of the town is of interest for the history section? Fences  &amp;  Windows  01:46, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
There has been a rash of recent vandalism on this article. I would like to stress that this is against Wikipedia policy and that this type of behavior and profaine language is not tolerated here. Admins please watch this page for vandalism. Thanks.Texas141 (talk) 18:49, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Notable people
To prevent the list in this section from growing to large, please place any further entries in the List of people from Dayton, Ohio article. Thanks. Texas141 (talk) 14:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Reporting station
I'm not normally involved with editing this city article, but... For the climactic data, which station should we use? NOAA/NWS has two stations for Dayton: the first one is Dayton Airport, as is currently used, and the second is some random place in downtown.
 * in January, Downtown is warmer than Dayton Airport by 1.5 F.
 * in July, Downtown is warmer than Dayton Airport by a whopping 2.7 F.
 * snowfall for the downtown station is 12.5 inches less, a major discrepancy and issue here. ---华钢琴49 (TALK) 22:13, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Downtown Dayton, Ohio is in a valley (aka the Miami Valley, and the Dayton International Airport is about 10 miles north and is not in the valley. Valleys (especially ones as large as the one where downtown Dayton is located) are notorious for driving their own climate changes. Such as mountians, but not to as large of a degree. I live in the Dayton area. Typically when the weather is reported here in Dayton, there it a fairly notable difference between downtown Dayton and the airport in terms of temperature and precipitation. Most days there is about a one to two degree temperature difference between the two locations. And local amounts of precipitation can vary in a 10 mile span as well. So, I really don't see much of a problem. To someone who is not from Dayton, this could seem strange and problematic. But for thoes of us who live here, the differences actually makes sense and the two locations are usually reported differently for these reasons. Texas141 (talk) 00:04, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * oops. the default setting of Google Maps doesn't really tell you anything about topography... anyway, the large discrepancy over such a short distances, and given that is not very rough terrain and this is not the SF Bay Area, which is known for microclimates, it seemed strange before you explained the valley phenomenon in this situation. anyway, so you have no problem if the data is switched to the downtown? ---华钢琴49 (TALK) 00:20, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the data should be consistent. I will say, that most all of our official weather reports in Dayton are reported from the airport. So I would be more inclined to the information coming from the airport. Texas141 (talk) 14:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * if a native says so, then so be it. Let's keep the data. ---华钢琴49 (TALK) 18:17, 3 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I also will certainly indicate the station location and probably add a note indicating that downtown averages can be significantly warmer due to the valley location. ---华钢琴49 (TALK) 18:29, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Dayton, Ohio
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Dayton, Ohio's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "TWC": From Peoria, Illinois:  From Saint Paul, Minnesota:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:35, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Education
I changed the text for charter schools. The city does not operate charter schools. They are operated by outside organizations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.95.73.138 (talk) 14:03, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Peace Accords
As a Daytonian(born and bred), I wish we could have credit for the location of the Peace Accords. But a last, it did not happen here. Credit must be given where credit is do. It happened a Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio which is near the fair city of Fairborn. Fairborn must be given full credit for the Peace Accords. Why the city of Dayton continues to get credit.Is a mystery for the ages.Rice60 (talk) 04:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Does a reliable source call them the "Fairborn Accords"? -- JHunterJ (talk) 22:28, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It is fairly common for the media to name something for the nearest large city even when it is outside the city limits.  Clearly WPAFB is in the Dayton area and many people who live outside the Dayton area refer informally to WPAFB as being in Dayton.  The New York Giants and New York Jets football team play outside NYC, and even play in another state, New Jersey, but are still called NY.  --rogerd (talk) 18:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am in full agreement with Rogerd. Dayton should be used. Texas141 (talk) 02:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality Issues
This article reads like an advertisement. Nothing significant is mentioned about the decline of the city with regards to the leaving of the auto industry and manufacturing in the 1970's-2000's. It sure has heck spends a lot of time talking about the hospitals though.

The crime section only talks about decreases in crime but doesn't mention that the crime rate is a major problem and has been very high.

School section just list a few schools and doesn't talk about the horrible state of education

I see stuff about being a great city to live in, but no articles about it being a bad city to live in.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/24713234/ns/today-today_101/t/best-places-raise-family/

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/business/2008/08/05/ddn080508forbesweb.html

This isn't exactly the source I had in mind, but I've heard several reports from various reputable sources over the years about major issues in Dayton.

In addition, I think a lot of this stuff doesn't concentrate enough on the actual city of Dayton. The unemployment figures are for the Greater Dayton Area and not just Dayton while the demographics are for inner-city. I believe it is also among the highest in OH.

Maybe when I get some time I'll try and make this article more neutral. Currently, I read this and think Dayton is the absolute perfect place to live as everything here is positive. A little to glossy. Maybe residents have either accidentally or purposely skewed this article? I'd like for some people who do not have any particular roots to Dayton to take a serious look at the town and work on this article.

Neutrality issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.235.88.100 (talk) 04:39, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That is doesn't cover topics that you are interested in doesn't mean the topics it does cover are written like an advertisement. Certainly, more critical material that meets WP:N and WP:V can be added in order to maintain the WP:NPOV. -- JHunterJ (talk) 15:11, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Agreed, the article is a WP:GA article, it would not have been able to achieve or maintain this status if it were written as an advertisement. Dayton has issus, just like any other city. But encyclopedias usually tend to not focus on these issues unless they are a very significant part of that city's history or hold some type of WP:N that is a necessary addition. For example, as we all know the economic downturn has affected Detroit in such an extreme way that it is now notable to add information about how that has affected the city. Dayton on the other hand, is not much different from any other "regular" city in the negative issues it faces these days. Please review WP:EP and follow the guidelines for editing should any questions arise about what can be edited to a page, and how to edit properly. Texas141 (talk) 12:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Archive?
After reviewing this talk page, I would say that it is time to archive. The talk page is very lengthy and there are threads dating back to 2009. I would ask that a wikipedia admin take a look and see about archiving this talk page and starting fresh for more discussion. Texas141 (talk) 12:19, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyone can archive a talk page, not only admins. See Help:Archiving a talk page.--Chimino (talk) 08:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)