Talk:Daytona International Speedway/Archive 1

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I'm playing with categories. Does this look appropriate for this page? --Timc 18:07, 31 May 2004 (UTC)


 * Not as good as it would with the table at the top and the category elsewhere, but this is what we have to deal with. Nothing we can really do about it except work around their design choices.
 * However, perhaps we should not specify the category as NASCAR race tracks... well... I dunno. We are supposed to use the most specific category, but then what do you put, say, Indianapolis Motor Speedway in? Perhaps this category should be more like American race tracks or American car race tracks or something along those lines. --Golbez 18:45, 31 May 2004 (UTC)


 * You are right, but I thought it would be fine to apply multiple categories for tracks like Indy. So, it would be NASCAR race tracks|IndyCar race tracks ... But, maybe American auto race tracks/circuits/courses would be a better category.  Is NASCAR race tracks a sub-category then?  I didn't apply the category to all of the race tracks so that we could have a chance to discuss this. That way I wouldn't get a response like when I added the big list of tracks.  :-)
 * Maybe the best thing to do is have Auto race tracks->NASCAR race tracks->Daytona International Speedway and Auto race tracks->NASCAR race tracks->Indianapolis Motor Speedway and Auto race tracks->IndyCar race tracks->Indianapolis Motor Speedway. But maybe the sub-category isn't necessary. --Timc 19:34, 31 May 2004 (UTC)


 * Another possibility is Auto racing->NASCAR->Daytona International Speedway, Auto racing->NASCAR->Indianapolis Motor Speedway and Auto racing->IndyCar->Indianapolis Motor Speedway. --Timc 19:37, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

A problem you could run into with that is, how many leagues are we going to include? Need to think about this... okay, how's this for an idea:
 * Categories go Sports->Auto Racing->NASCAR, and this category includes List of NASCAR race tracks.
 * Individual American race tracks can go into Sports->Auto Racing->U.S. car race tracks, AND also have a link to the list of tracks for their proper league, i.e. List of NASCAR race tracks.
 * So far as I know, and I could be very wrong, the English don't enjoy using the word "auto" I think, so maybe that too should be changed to Car all around. I don't know, I'm not British. :)  Let one of them fix it. ;)

So how does this solution sound? We keep the tracks themselves in a generic "U.S. car race tracks" category, and use the List of X race tracks pages to classify, AND keep the List of X race tracks pages in the categories for their leagues, like NASCAR and IndyCar. Sound good?

So, that's my idea - keep the individual track pages on a generic race track category, and keep the league lists in a league category. And to tie them all together, a generic List of American car race tracks or, hell, List of car race tracks, to tie them all together that would go into the Car race tracks category. (Or auto. I ain't making that choice, someone else do it. ;) Personally, "auto" flows better, but this is an international deal.)

I'm heavily rambling now, so any input you have, I welcome. :) --Golbez 22:55, 31 May 2004 (UTC)


 * Works for me. I'm not British, but neither am I American.  Being Canadian, I applaud your ambiguity in using both "auto" and "car" for categories.  "Auto racing"/"U.S. car race tracks". --Timc 13:55, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I'm curious about the "The World Center of Racing" sub tag - is this a phrase commonly associated with Daytona raceway? kibibu 02:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's the nickname that the track has taken for itself. More of a marketing thing than anything else I think, but most of the NASCAR tracks seem to do it. Recury 03:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Infobox image
Call me crazy, but isn't a track map a better image image for an infobox? I cleaned up an aerial photo pixel by pixel, so it's to scale, and it's hard to find an accurate picture of the motorcycle course.Mustang6172 04:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Photos
I took some new photos and uploaded them to Wikimedia Commons - including the new pedestrian bridge, which has "Welcome to Daytona Beach" in large letters. However, the track is so large, it is hard to get the whole thing into a photo. Gamweb (talk) 03:59, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Someone's wrong
The infobox says that ground was broken in 1956, but the Course history section says ground was broken in November 1957. Which one is right?Mustang6172 (talk) 07:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

"leading to the development of more effective racing seats, seatbelts, helmet restraint systems, energy-absorbing walls, and other safety-related gear."
That's not really true at all, the HANS device was developed by the brother of an IMSA GT driver, and the SAFER barriers for Indycar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.117.186 (talk) 03:41, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Update track records after repave?
Now that the track surface has been repaved, do we start counting again for lap records? I know generally when the layout is changed, they start again, but is that generally the case with repaved tracks? I ask because in Grand-Am qualifying, the DP qualifying times for the front row were about half a second faster on the road course from last year, and the current overall record for the track is the now defunct Can-Am series. Thoughts? Bakkster Man (talk) 15:33, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. If it is faster than the fastest speed then add it, but other than that you shouldn't update it. Such as Bill Elliott made a lap around teh oval at 210 mph. That speed will never be broken, and just because they are going faster on the newer surface, but slower than the fastest speed, it doesn't need updating.  Nascar  1996   16:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * My primary concern was whether the repave would be considered a new 'configuration' of the track, not that the old record likely won't be broken due to new regulations. It is still my assumption that this isn't the case, but I wanted to bring it up. Bakkster Man (talk) 17:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't think so.  Nascar  1996   18:16, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Bus Stop
An image edit is needed. First of all, the bus stop configuration on File:Daytona_International_Speedway_-_Road_Course.svg is out of date, that version of the chicane has not been used in many years. The cars use the same bus stop chicane as can be found in File:Daytona International Speedway - Moto Course.png.

Secondly, with the repaving, this older 'long bus stop' has had its pavement removed, the only configuration remaining is the one shown in the Moto image. In addition, with the recent repaving, a copy of the Bus Stop has been added to the course shortly before it. It is currently unused, but is placed immediately in front of a spectator area and may be used in the future. Bakkster Man (talk) 14:15, 16 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I've made the changes. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 23:54, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks! Any idea why the thumb is still outdated? Bakkster Man (talk) 14:50, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Try bypassing your cache (Ctrl+F5 in most browsers). Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 23:09, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Old infield road course
Why isn't this mentioned at all in the article? Turn 3 (The Horseshoe) of the infield road course used to extend much closer to oval turns 3 and 4 than it does now (Shortened in I believe 1984 to open up room in the infield for things like camping). The bus stop has also seen several configurations and slightly different locations on the back straight compared to the modern layout. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.6.240 (talk) 19:16, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have references in reliable sources, be bold and add it! Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 19:11, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll help dig some up. Found a few, hopefully we can get some quality info at some point. Bakkster Man (talk) 20:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Curious, seems they had this old layout 1983 and prior. That had a longer international horseshoe, no bus stop chicane, and a single turn in place of the T1-2 complex. Looking at results, it seems they ran no bus stop in '83, added the bus stop for the '84 race, then shortened it later that year and ran it shortened with bus stop since '85. I want more info than this before I add everything to it, but at least I think we've narrowed down what we're looking for. Bakkster Man (talk) 20:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * And it goes deeper... 1971 was a 4,522 km layout, 1972 and '75 was a 6,132 km layout,, before settling on the 6,180 km layout for most of the decade in '76.. Now I'm thinking we should really only talk about the most raced recent layout, but I'm not able to find exactly what those layouts are. For example, where is the bus stop, is it there at all, etc. Bakkster Man (talk) 21:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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GT Course Lap Record
I know for certain that at the 2016 Ferrari Finali Mondiali at Daytona, the F1 cars on track broke the official lap record for that course configuration multiple times over; yet, the article still claims the record is held by the Toyota Eagle MkIII. I don't know what the stats are off hand, however, I know the lap record was indeed broken for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.31.208.237 (talk) 03:02, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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I think this is my first engagement with an article's talk page and I'm a bit nervous. Shouldn't "To build the high banking, crews had to excavate over a million square yards of soil from the track's infield" talk about 'cubic metres' instead of 'square yards'? 'Square yards' wouldn't be meaningless if it definitely referred to the the area of land excavated but volume is a more normal dimension. I cannot read the cited source. It is too fuzzy for my screen. Hayttom (talk) 17:07, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Daytona USA videogame
This article states that the videogame titled Daytona USA "featured a fully detailed 3D model of the circuit for the very first time." I assume the article refers to the first game in the series, although it could refer to the series as a whole. As far as I know, the first game in the series to include a track named Daytona International Speedway (like the real life one) was Daytona USA 3, which was released in 2017. This means that it's not the first time a fully detailed 3D model of the circuit was featured in a videogame, because other games such as EA Sports' Nascar 2005 Chase for the Cup (just to name an example) were released before and already included a virtual representation of the real life track. The track featured in Daytona USA 3 is not based on the real life Daytona International Speedway despite having the same name, since it features a fictional design for its shape. Despite the fact that the Daytona USA games never featured a real life track in both shape and name, the developers did research the Daytona International Speedway and considered the idea of featuring it in the first game, according to the Daytona USA article on Wikipedia. 190.190.125.92 (talk) 03:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Daytona Triathlon
It's been happening in early December for a few years, but no mention here 73.116.2.15 (talk) 22:01, 31 December 2022 (UTC)