Talk:De Long Islands

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This should also be included as a US geography stub since three of the islands are disputed.


 * There doesn't appear to be any US government claim to these islands. --Reuben 08:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

If you look in the old naval reports and diaries (not to mention physical evidence that exists) there should be a valid claim right?CharlesRobertCountofNesselrode 13:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Old naval reports and diaries could show that there was a claim at one time. It doesn't necessarily show that there's any ongoing claim, and according to the US Department of State, there's not one.  Regardless of the history, there's no claim unless someone actually asserts it.  --Reuben 15:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The Fact Sheet's Mistake: Give Me Your Proofs
Let us read the 'Fact Sheet' and what it says about the U.S. currently asserting a claim to the island.

''No negotiations regarding the U.S.-Russia maritime boundary have occurred since 1990, when the U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement was signed. The negotiations that led to that agreement did not address the status of Wrangel Island, Herald Island, Bennett Island, Jeannette Island, or Henrietta Island, all of which lie off Russia's Arctic coast, or Mednyy (Copper) Island or rocks off the coast of Mednyy Island in the Bering Sea. None of the islands or rocks above were included in the U.S. purchase of Alaska from Russia in 1867, and they have never been claimed by the United States, although Americans were involved in the discovery and exploration of some of them.

''The U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement, signed by the United States and the Soviet Union on June 1, 1990, defines our maritime boundary in the Arctic Ocean, Bering Sea, and northern Pacific Ocean. The U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement is a treaty that requires ratification by both parties before it formally enters into force. The treaty was made public at the time of its signing. In a separate exchange of diplomatic notes, the two countries agreed to apply the agreement provisionally. The United States Senate gave its advice and consent to ratification of the U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement on September 16, 1991.''

''The Russian Federation informed the United States Government by diplomatic note dated January 13, 1992, that it “continues to perform the rights and fulfill the obligations flowing from the international agreements” signed by the Soviet Union. The United States and the Russian Federation, which is considered to be the sole successor state to the treaty rights and obligations of the former Soviet Union for the purposes of the U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement, are applying the treaty on a provisional basis, pending its ratification by the Russian Federation.''

''The United States regularly holds discussions with Russia on Bering Sea issues, but these discussions do not affect the placement of the U.S.-Russia boundary or the jurisdiction over any territory or the sovereignty of any territory. The U.S. has no intention of reopening discussion of the 1990 Maritime Boundary Treaty.''

This document says nothing about the possibility of the U.S. to currently hold a claim but instead says that the U.S. never had a claim. It states that any territory which might be in dispute is not affected by the 1990 treaty. It is my contention that federal government documents on the point of whether or not a claim existed conflict and that a claim was made to the islands so that there is an accidental factual inaccuracy in the State Department's document. I will go in depth on the subject as soon as someone tells me about the Russian claim/ effective occupation of the islands in detail. Tell me about the research station that existed from the 30's to the 60's. Tell me about Russian explorers and all the reasons why these islands belong to the Russian Federation. I will not give up any of the islands until I see the proof that Russia owns them.CharlesRobertCountofNesselrode 15:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Your claim to the islands is not relevant to Wikipedia. See No original research, Verifiability, and Reliable sources.  We have an authoritative source from the US government saying that there is not and has never been a US claim to these islands.  If you want the articles to say otherwise, you need to find authoritative sources to support that claim - your own interpretation of documents is not sufficient.  Find published sources that say there has been a US claim, and cite them in the articles.  (State Department Watch could be cited as a source of information about the group's own opinions, but it's not an authoritative source for the history or status of the islands themselves).  --Reuben 17:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

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