Talk:De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas

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Dead's conributions
Which of the lyrics are done by DEAD? I hardly doubt that DEAD contributed to this album at all. If I receive no answer in one week, I will delete the mention of DEAD from this article. Regenspaziergang 22:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean what lyrics or what vocals? Because he wrote the lyrics to all of the songs on here except the title track I believe. There are many, many bootleg live shows and rehearsals with Dead practicing most of these songs with the band before he committed suicide. He does not appear on the album performing vocals as he died several years before the recording session.

I recall reading that the songs "Funeral Fog" and "Freezing Moon" were written entirely by him. I'm not sure about the rest. 24.151.79.108 03:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Ye, varg stated that riffs came from Hellhammer, necro and even himself. But mainly Euronymous, it wouldnt suprise me if Blackthorn contributed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.212.116 (talk) 14:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Dead wrote all of the lyrics to the songs before he died, although not all of the music was written when he died thus explaining why you can't find videos or bootlegs of him performing them. http://www.peryngveohlin.com/frameset3.htm 70.64.186.91 02:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe Dead wrote all the songs except for Cursed in Eternity, De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas, and either Pagan Fears or From The Dark Past which were written by Euronymous after Dead's suicide. Temple-of-Monkeys (talk) 02:25, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Dead wrote the lyrics for all songs except "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" (which I believe was written by Attila). ~Asarlaí 09:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have a copy of a couple of letters written by Euronymous to Attila in 1991 some weeks after Dead's death. Euronymous says "We have most of the songs ready for it, and we have lyrics for 5 of the 8 songs we'll have on the lp". I also have copies of the original handwritten lyrics to Cursed in Eternity, Life Eternal, Freezing Moon and Buried by Time and Dust which are in Dead's handwriting, as well as Cursed in Eternity and De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas which are in Euronymous' handwriting. Funeral Fog was written by Dead. That just leaves Pagan Fears and From The Dark Past. Dead wrote one of them and Euronymous wrote the other, I'm not sure which... Dead most likely wrote Pagan Fears. Temple-of-Monkeys (talk) 09:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

After "Deathcrush" Dead wrote all the lyrics. In "Live in Leipzig" -Funeral Fog-, -Freezing Moon-, -Pagan Fears- and -Buried by Time and Dust- can be heared, so it can be sure that Dead wrote the lyrics to these 4 songs in his lifetime. There is a rumour that Blackthorn wrote the other lyrics, but it is not sure in 100%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.211.89.166 (talk) 17:57, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

According to Dead's suicide note from his biography page, Life Eternal is actually wrote by him. Furthermore, Freezing Moon, Carnage, Funeral Fog, and Pagan Fears are appear in Live in Leipzig, all of them were recorded live before his suicide. I'm really sure about his lyrics contribution on this album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.216.101.48 (talk) 05:21, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Blackthorn
The artical says that Blackthorn played guitar on the album, but the band's official website says that only Euronymous, Varg, Hellhammer and Attila played on the album, Encyclopedia Metallium also says this. Should Blackthorn's name be removed from the list or am I just a n00b and missing something deadly obvious? -Jonnz

Not sure if he played on the album or not, but he did contribute some riffs to the album. One riff from Life Eternal came right off the Thorns demo Grymyrk


 * Blackthorn did not play on De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas. He joined Mayhem after it was recorded as Euronymous was exhausted after all the writing and recording and a new guitarist was needed to get ideas flowing again. Temple-of-Monkeys (talk) 02:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

According to their myspace, Blackthorn played the second guitar. Read under the "The Dark Past" tittle. I also remember that it said so in the webpage. Also, he wrote at least From the Dark Past, since it uses the riffs from his song Lovely Children.


 * Blackthorn isn't credited in the Life Eternal album, and his face isn't included on the De Mysteriis CD (the three faces are Attila, Hellhammer and Euronymous). Anyway, Attila Csihar states in an interview on Blabbermouth: "Snorre [Ruch, also implicated in the murder] was sending me some letters before he was in the band. He was supposed to be the new guitarist of MAYHEM. Actually, Euronymous was very proud to introduce me to him as the guy who was going to write the new songs. Euronymous said he was burnt out after the 'De Mysteriis…' recording and needed some fresh blood in the band." Blackthorn definitely had links to Mayhem before the recording of the album though, there is a picture in the Life Eternal liner of Blackthorn, Euronymous, Varg Vikernes and Metallion of Slayer magazine sitting in Euronymous' apartment eating a hungarian goulash. Also, in an interview Euronymous states "We’ll get a big rehearsal place together with THORNS/ARCTURUS/BURZUM, and it wont take long before the MAYHEM album is out". This is probably how the Thorns riffs made it onto De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas. PS. Sign your posts please! Sweet Temple-of-Monkeys (talk) 00:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Varg Vikernes' bass parts on the album
As is mentioned in the article, Hellhammer promised Euronymous' parents that he would personally re-record the bass tracks on De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas which are played by Varg Vikernes, Euronymous' killer. However, only being a drummer, he couldn't.

Some people seem to think that Hellhammer simply lowered Vikernes' bass parts in the mix (as the article originally used to say), and this is untrue. I have the 'Life Eternal' rough mix of the first five songs on the album, and the bass part is actually much lower in the mix on the rough tracks than on the final release, where the bass is quite prominent. If anybody wants to hear this, I could make a short sample comparing the rough mix and the final versions of one of the songs.

I apologise for the rant, but I'm just saying this in case somebody feels the need to edit the article.

Thanks, Temple-of-Monkeys (talk) 09:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

He couldn't play bass because he was only a drummer? I dimly remember that Hellhammer can also play guitar (apart from drums), so it would have been easy for him to re-play the part. The bass lines are very easy anyway, even a novice could play them after a little practising. It is more interesting that he chose not to, and to speculate why! 118.92.3.240 (talk) 09:27, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

"Murderer and his victim"
This article reads


 * It may also be the only heavy metal album, and possibly the only album in any genre, on which both a murderer and his victim perform.

Euronymous played with Varg Vikernes on a couple songs on Burzum, so De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas is not the only heavy metal album with this distinction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mountmccabe (talk • contribs) 18:17, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In official myspace appears that Blackthorn played second guitar. Erlandinho (talk) 14:00, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The Myspace page is wrong, this has already been discussed. 121.74.75.59 (talk) 10:15, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Punctuation in Album Title
I know this might not be a reliable or valid source, but seems legit. [http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Mayhem/De_Mysteriis_Dom_Sathanas/254 Metal Archives' page on De Mysteriis Dom. Sathanas]

The article correctly spells the widely acknowledged and verified pseudo-Latin of the album's title, but the third word is in fact an abbreviation. If you look, the cover has a small dot after "Dom". This makes sense since the word seems to have been intended to mean "Lord" which would be "Dominus" or "Domine" or some different ending depending on context and proper case to use. Hence the album title should be listed as it is, but maybe with an appended phrase "or De Mysteriis Dom. Sathanas" at the beginning. Wikieditor0611 (talk) 05:06, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

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"Debut" album
Since WP:3O and WP:DR require talk page discussion to be had first, I'm posting this here just for formalities before any further editing warring occurs. The definition of "debut" per dictionaries: User:Second Skin says "debut album and first album literally mean the same thing", which is nonsensical in this instance. How on Earth could this album be called Mayhem's debut when Deathcrush fulfils all the above? De Mysteriis is their first studio album, having already made their debut long before with Deathcrush. A band can't make a debut with a studio album when they'd already made a debut with an EP. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:49, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "the occasion when someone performs or presents something to the public for the first time" – Mayhem had performed since the 1980s;
 * "the first appearance of something, as a new product" – Mayhem made their first appearance in the 1980s;
 * "a first appearance" – same as above;
 * "first public performance, appearance, or recording" – Mayhem made their first public performances and recordings in the 1980s;