Talk:Dead Man's Curve

Contradiction
There is now a seeming contradiction on the "Dead Man's Curve" article.

"The advisory speed is 35 miles per hour (60 kilometers per hour), although the legal speed limit is 50 mph (80 km/h) as on adjacent sections of the Shoreway and Innerbelt."

"In 1965, the state lowered the speed limit from 50 mph to 35 mph."

I created the first quotation, basing it on personal observations, partially backed up at my website at http://www.roadfan.com/dtclev.html#dm (which is one of the external links listed at the bottom of the article). The conditions which I describe are still extant as of January 27, 2006 (three days ago as I write this). I believe that the confusion stems from the fact that speeds on advisory speed signs (see http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/HTM/2003r1/part2/part2c.htm#section2C46 are not the true legal speed limit, as I understand it, so whatever the last actual black-characters-on-white-background speed limit sign read is what the speed limit is. (See http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/HTM/2003r1/part2/part2b1.htm#section2B13 ) In this case, there are "SPEED LIMIT 50" signs in both directions prior to Dead Man's Curve, and all the 35 mph indications are on yellow fields on the overhead signs, or advisory speeds.

As for the second quote (pre-existing), I have no way to challenge this as I was not even born in 1965 much less in the area. I would assume that the advisory vs. compulsory issue is there, but not being around at the time, I can't deny that the state might have actually installed regulatory black-on-white "SPEED LIMIT 35" signs, then replaced them with "SPEED LIMIT 50" signs by the time that I saw the signage for the first time.

As such, I am leaving the page as is, with the apparent contradiction. 198.30.228.3 22:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The second quote is from the Plain Dealer article. This ODOT PDF (see page 7) seems to indicate that the speed limit is 50, not 35. -- Mwalcoff 23:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Schuylkill
Here's another nasty bend in the "Sure-Kill." Google Maps
 * This curve is not renowned for being particularly dangerous; all of the Schuylkill from PA 291 to the river, including this curve is signed for 45 MPH.


 * Honestly this article is a mess, I've lived in and around Philadelphia all my life and I can assure that no part of the Schuylkill is referred to as a "dead-man's curve." (The one infamous "curve", the Conshohocken Curve, is a long, gradual bend infamous for backups due to sun glare, not accidents.) Krimpet 18:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:Death Assessment Commentary
This article has potential, as the expression is valid in American culture, but needs an overhaul. The most glaring problmes are: Boneyard90 (talk) 18:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Undue emphasis on the Dead Man's Curve in Ohio without explanation.
 * Lack of references.
 * No mention of the history of the term.
 * One involved editor admits to Original Research in the above comments.

Improvements needed
This article is completely US-centric, but needs more-global coverage since similar road hazards exist around the world. Also, this article needs overview coverage of topics such as common methods of reducing or bypassing the hazards, and perhaps mention of historic situations. The term appears often in popular culture, including pop and folk songs, as well. Reify-tech (talk) 21:29, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

There are "similiar road hazards" worldwide, but the key should be whether they were locally and popularly referred by the label "Dead Man's Curve". This article should be limited to such road hazards as received the nickname "Dead Man's Curve" in popular lore or local news accounts, and it does appear to be a US origin term due to the American love and death affair with the automobile. -- Naaman Brown (talk) 04:23, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Parallel article, "Hairpin turn"
A parallel article, Hairpin turn, has developed independently, but with a more world-wide scope. However, instead of merging, I propose a different resolution of the overlap. See Talk:Hairpin turn for details and any discussion. Reify-tech (talk) 19:51, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

There is a dead man's curve in New Hampshire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkham_Notch

I don't have the time or interest to add it, but I was looking at the article and noticed that the one in my area is not on here. Maybe it's not qualified, I don't know. I figured I would share.

I think this is the correct place to put this.

74.220.232.50 (talk) 19:36, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

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Rename to "List of" ?
This article is a laundry list of places nicknamed 'deadman's curve'. And that's probably all it will ever be. Instead of flagging it with MOS:LIST we could just call it what it is and be done with it. E.g. List of sites called Dead Man's Curve. Could take it one step further, merge it with Slaughter alley and call it List of road accident spots. --Cornellier (talk) 23:08, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think we need to rename it. It's about a concept and has some sourced examples (including one that's the subject of a pop song) that help to illustrate that concept. I wouldn't merge the two articles together as proposed because they're different concepts, although somewhat related.  Imzadi 1979  →   23:39, 9 January 2020 (UTC)