Talk:Deadlift

=2006=

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Reverted edit to record holder
I reverted this last edit as I could find no reference to the name it was changed to using Google. The IP used to edit it has vandalized other pages during the same timeframe. If this was a valid edit, I suggest making a citation as to the source of the new information. Notary137 18:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Sucking tummy
"Sucking the tummy thin", as the article says, is dangerous. You actually need to brace the stomach muscles like you are about to take a blow there. This may involve sticking the stomach muscles out slightly, and produces positive abdominal pressure to support the weight. Sucking the belly in is the result of negative abdominal pressure (sucking is always the result of negative pressure), and may cause the back to round off, and does not support the lift properly. Fixing the article. -- Octothorn 15:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

=2007=

Bolton
Could we please state that Bolton did his lift on drugs and using extremely heavy duty gear, which helps to lift A LOT!! Why there is someone who keeps editing it back? User:74.98.218.153 03:30, 26 March 2007
 * irrelevant... steroids and equipment does very little to increase the deadlift. Bolton would still be lifting shitloads if he lived off lettuce and wore a tutu... User:172.206.21.78 22:06, 23 June 2007
 * I disagree... Why should the deadlift be somehow immune from the benefits of steroids and supportive gear? The record for the deadlift in the IPF (International Powerlifting Federation http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com) is 408 kilos, which is approximately 899.5 lbs. The IPF has an anti-doping policy and allows only minimal supportive gear. Why else (other than doping and supportive gear) should there be such a huge (100+ lbs) difference between the IPF record and Bolton's cheat lift? Also, if 'roids and supportive gear weren't necessary for Bolton's lift, why did he use them? 24.163.114.206 04:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, if the 'roids and supportive gear didn't help Bolton's lift, why do you want to remove this information from the article? This is a web site for information and truth, not for hiding information... 24.163.114.206 04:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: at 04:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC) Psramka edited the above two statements (I disagree... hiding information...) of the IP posts, indicating that they are claiming that they are the author of those statements. Bonechamber (talk) 13:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Can we get something clear here, the IPF uses testing, and I know several IPF lifters that use AAS but they can pass the tests when nessesary so stop the idealistic non steriod quotes. The deadlift suit used by Bolton was actually IPF approved, so end that one there! Andy has done a triple with 410kgs RAW (I have a vid of this). No matter what anyone says, there is not a single person in the world other than him who can lift over 1000lb of the floor, no matter what drugs were used. If a sprinter runs the 100m faster than anyone else, if he is on drungs he is stil the fastest man on earth. You guys who claim AAS are not used by so and so and so on are kidding yourselves. User:195.188.144.137 10:59, 19 October 2007
 * Are you an idiot? Have you never ever competed? Everyone who has ever lifted in powerlifting knows full well a deadlift suit offers pretty much sod all vs a squat or bench shirt, perhaps an extra 10kgs if you're lucky. Ben Jonhson was stripped of his medal, BUT, he did win the race, and Carl LEwis knew for a fact when it came down to it he was NOT the fastest man on the planet. You guys who claim AAS are not used by so and so and so on are kidding yourselves, the NFL, Rugby and IPF all use AAS, it is not pysiologially possible to lift such weights otherwise, grow up, get an education and stop being idealistic. Nobody wants to see the guy who almost lifted 1000lb clean, they want to see the first guy to ever pull 1000lb off the floor. Is it in the record books, yes, so shut it, see if you can do it on drugs!!!! then tell me it isn't amazing! If they are available and knowing used by most, and you choose not to, it's your choice, but don't chasitse those who do. I bet you all jump on the newest creatine products etc, casue you find that level of stuff naturally in food don't you. But wait, you are natural!!! RAFLMAO!!!! Different levels of natural are there!! User:90.192.7.186 02:22, 21 October 2007

Repetition
Too much repetition, sloppy language. User:130.76.96.15 20:28, 10 July 2007

Stiff-legged/romanian deadlift = Good morning?
Have a look at the Good-morning article and especially the image used there - isn't that a stiff-legged or romanian deadlift? Might be worth mentioning the similarities --Tierlieb 19:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The Good morning has the bar in the neck, as with the Squat. The image used on  is a straight-leg deadlift.  Complete different exercise than the Good morning.  I'll edit the Good morning article. Stronglifts 09:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Diagram
Added the requested diagram Yupi666 21:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC) added the requested diagram and removed the diagram needed User:Yupi666 21:12, 16 June 2007
 * That is a crap diagram. It doesn't give you any indication of what's going on with the angle of the back. It doesn't even look like a person. User:130.123.128.114 04:00, 26 July 2007
 * Agreed. In fact, the diagram appears to show the person looking down while doing the deadlift.  This is actually dangerous form, and it can lead to back problems because looking down increases the likelihood that the person's back is arched.  One should always look forward while doing the deadlift because an arched back is a surefire way to injure oneself. KyleGoetz (talk) 06:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I totally agree the diagram does not show form and as KyleGoetz said the fact that the face looks down and not straight is dangerous. I believe that a diagram showing form for the deadlift should be taken side on to show the back kept straight, face forward and angle of the lift. Koal4e (talk) 17:18, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking down while deadlifting means keeping a neutral spine, as the torso is inclined forward in the deadlift setup position. There's nothing unsafe about it. 76.99.24.196 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:52, 26 February 2010 (UTC).

=2009=

WPO Record
I added a video of Benedikt Magnusson lifting the record under WPO rules (1,100 pounds). The original entry lists Benedikt as the record holder, but only shows the video Andy Bolton breaking the Olympic record (1,003 pounds). Not sure if the record variations should be clarified in the main article or not - but I thought if we're going to show one record holder doing it, the record holder actually mentioned here should also be shown. Ward99 (talk) 01:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

=2010=

Who took out my note about steroids and world records
The records are fake, stop hiding it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.14.106 (talk) 19:53, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What's your source? If you don't have a reliable source, your biased personal opinions and viewpoints should not be included. Please review WP:OR for further clarification and refrain from re-adding the material.--Yankees76 (talk) 16:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Concentric only?

 * "It is, in a sense, the purest test of strength because it is one of the few lifts of dead weight (weight lying on the ground). In most other lifts there is an eccentric (lowering the weight) phase followed by the concentric (lifting the weight) phase; the deadlift is just a concentric movement."

As the lowering of the weight back to the floor is a necessary part of the deadlift you do not only have a concentric movement. The deadlift is not different from pretty much any other exercise in that aspect, cause normally exercises consists of two parts.

In the first part you move something and in the second part you move back to return to the starting position. As the movement in the second part is normally the same as in the first part (only backwards), you always have a concentric and eccentric phase. So, the deadlist (1. part: lift weight 2. part: lower weight) is not different from other exercises, e.g. squats (1. lower, 2. raise), pull-ups (1. raise, 2. lower), push-ups (either 1. raise, 2. lower or 1. lower, 2. raise) and every other exercise.

This really is a necessity as well, because if you move and then move back you just have concentric and eccentric parts. The only way to avoid it is using tools (e.g. negative pull-ups only) or not to go back to the starting position. But as part 2 (moving back to the starting position) is necessary to perform more than 1 rep, there are actually very few exercises which do not involve concentric AND eccentric phases. --78.54.17.43 (talk) 21:20, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In powerlifting competitions, the bar is dropped. It doesn't require any special tools to remove the eccentric component. You lift the bar, you drop it. The same is true of olympic weightlifting (though those do contain some eccentric components since the lift is spread into different motions due to the added complexity). Bonechamber (talk) 13:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

=2011=

Youtube video that keeps getting added
To overview section by User:121.210.29.8

First off, video links absolutely do not belong in the overview section. Notable videos may go in the external links.

Second, a video of what I assume is yourself (possibly your friend) deadlifting is absolutely not notable. You (or your friend) are not famous, nor a record holder, nor an expert in the subject.

Third, and speaking informally, that isn't perfect form. It isn't even reasonably good form. It's terrible form. The performer is bouncing the weight, which removes the "dead" from the deadlift, and arching their back at the top, which is asking for injury. Go read Starting Strength and re-learn how to deadlift.

Wikipedia is not your personal vanity project. --Cyningaenglisc (talk) 16:21, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

World record discrepancy
How is the raw (no suit, belt allowed) record 1015 yet the equipped (suit allowed) record is only 1009? This seems pretty perplexing, normally a suit is designed to ADD weight someone can deadlift, right? Yet the most people have done is 6 pounds less? I understand the tire deadlift being higher since it allows straps and also because usually the bar bends more. Bonechamber (talk) 13:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

It's legit. Deadlift suits don't help all that much. A lot of guys can lift more without (Benny Magnusson, Zydrunas Savickas). Benny Magnusson's WR was raw, and beat the old suited record. It was quite a feet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.7.102.135 (talk) 06:30, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Deadlift record under 18 and under 181 lbs
Definitely inaccurate, take a look on youtube and bodybuilding.com, and you will easily see people under 180 lbs under age 18, that can lift 550+. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.219.187 (talk) 05:15, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The edit was vandalism or a vanity edit (someone adding their own name to a record). It happens frequently on article such as this. --Yankees 76 Talk 21:52, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

World Record Section
Why do we even have a world record section in here? The Hummer Tire Deadlift record is pretty insignificant - it's not reproducible, can only be set in 1 contest a year that only invites 10 people, etc. And someone keeps vandalizing it anyway. Just link to powerliftingwatch's records.

Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.7.102.135 (talk) 06:33, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Why not to have this World Record section in this article dear unidentified IP address. And even if the Hummer Tire Deadlift is exclusively held in Arnold Strongman competition that too once a year, it is pretty much worth mentioning as it will be of use to people researching on deadlifts. And those 10 people that are invited in the competition are few of the strongest guys from the continent, so the achievement is noteworthy. Amit Dash (talk) 11:19, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

The record for the single handed deadlift is 330.0 kg (728 lb) by Hermann Görner in Leipzig 1920.[4]
Can we skip this? Because it obviously didn't happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.226.239.38 (talk) 19:26, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

=2014= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Forgirl023/sandbox

Gears
To avoid accidents from happening while performing deadlifts, prepare yourself with proper gears are recommended. Some example of lifting gears would be
 * Knee wraps - Knee wraps are designed to absorb stresses from your knees. The are long and heavy which can stretch out to about twenty feet long.
 * Wrists warps - Wrist wraps are not only for deadlifts, they can be also be used for bench press, and any other heavy lifting exercise that require wrist supports.
 * Belts - The benefits from power lifting belts are beyond people's expectation, it "increases intra-abdominal pressure, which stabilizes your entire midsection," especially when you are performing a heavy movement like squat and deadlift, which requires a lot of stability and core strength.
 * But basic training gears would be acceptable for beginners as well, for example, training/running shoes, t-shirt, and shorts.

Setup
Different variation of deadlift require different setup, but essentially are,
 * Feet Posision - A proper feet placement is very important for deadlifting. Make sure you always want your shins to be as close as possible to the bar. This allows you to lift the bar up without shifting your core toward to the bar. It can also ensure the weight from swing back and hit your shin or forward and put more pressure on your spine.
 * Stance Width - Except for sumo deadlift, place your feet slightly wider than shoulder width. Feet should be parallel to each other or slightly pointing to the sides. If you are a beginner and you don't know how to place your feet, try to jump vertically a couple of times. The landing position of the feet will be your deadlift stance.
 * Bar Grip Width - Place your arms completely straight and perpendicular to the floor. Tighten your shoulders and arms, make sure your arms are in a position as close as your body possible. Narrower grip than shoulder width will force your shoulder blades to come forward and injury might occur.


 * Conventional deadlift (Standard deadlift): Conventional deadlift, also called standard deadlift, is a type of deadlift which performed with your feet approximately shoulder width with a static bar as the starting position. Standard deadlifts embodied all kinds of deadlift, thus it includes all the foundation movement of deadlifts.
 * First, place your arms on the bar as the techniques we have discussed,
 * Second, sit back NOT sit down; when you sit back, you allow yourself to maintain the center of gravity at the proper point and also maintain the tightness of your body, which both would make the lift much easier. Lift the bar as your want to push your feet through the floor, let your legs do most of the motions in the lower range.
 * After the bar leaves the floor, bring your chest up and hips forward at the SAME time. You want to do them simultaneously because by doing one without the other would stimulate only one part of your body to lift the bar, which will put a lot of pressures on them.
 * Finally, to lockout means by having a full extension of your knees and hips and pulling your shoulders tight. ATTENTION, be sure not to exaggerate the movement by pulling your back too hard because this will cause to arch your lower back.

Alternations
Instead of using the bar, which require performers to load up weight, there are other alternatives which mimicked barbell deadlift.
 * Dubbell or Kettlebell Deadlift
 * Trapbar deadlift - is a variation of the deadlift using a special U-shaped bar (a trapbar). This allows more clearance for the knees to pass "through" the bar. To perform the trapbar deadlift, one loads the bar, steps inside the hollow portion of the bar, bends down, grasps the handles, stands erect, then lowers the bar to the ground in the exact opposite path. Proponents of trapbar deadlifts include Hardgainer Magazine, Bob Whelan, the Cyberpump website, and Dr Ken Leistner and iron-game writer Paul Kelso.

Benefits
Proper deadlifts training can result in various area
 * Improve absolute strength, speed strength, rate of force development, flexibility, and core stability
 * Improve soft tissue and bone strength
 * Reduce the likelihood of various injuries during sport and activities of daily living

Common mistakes

 * 1. Wrong hips movement - Many lifters, even intermediate lifters, make the same mistakes on using their hips during the movement. The right hips movement should be "hips forward and back" but not "hips up and down". As we have discussed in the conventional deadlift techniques above, we should push our hips toward to lift the bar up (while also using your quads). But to initiate the lowering phase of the movement, you should also cooperate your hips movement, pushing your hips backward to bring down the bar instead of bending your back (spine) to do so.
 * 2. Not pushing through the heels - By pushing through the heels, you can engage your gluteus and hamstrings more efficiently.
 * 3. Standing too far away from the bar - The further you stand away from the bar, the more work your body has to do. You can visualize from carrying grocery bags, the closer you place the bags to your body the easier to lift them up.
 * 4. Back Lockout - To complete a proper lockout, you should lock it with your gluteus, by squeezing them together a complete hip extension can be completed. People mistaken the proper lockout by extending their back to fully extend their body, but that might result in hyperextend backward and tweak their lower back.
 * 5. Rushing to the top - When extending too fast to the top, lower back has to extend from neutral to rounded position. And the result would be bizarre.

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=2018=

World record edit wars?
Why are well established world records being torn out of this article, and various other world records competing for the top spot in the world records section?

Variations
Russian deadlift 213.149.61.112 (talk) 14:29, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

=2019=

Instructional
Some parts of the article have an instructional tone, they should be rewritten to be more factual, and citations would be needed.--Abolibibelot (talk) 12:13, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

World records – with which equipments ?
The world record by Eddie Hall was made with straps – does that count as an officiel record ? I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure that straps are not allowed in powerlifting competitions. If that's indeed the case the official record with no straps should be mentioned as well.--Abolibibelot (talk) 12:21, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Injuries
A section about potential injuries related to this movement, with a list of actual accidents, would be a relevant addition.--Abolibibelot (talk) 12:24, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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Variations

 * classic deadlift (which of the versions in the article is considered that)
 * Snatch-grip deadlift
 * Rack pull deadlift
 * Deficit deadlift
 * behind the leg deadlift aka hack squat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.18.60.184 (talk) 08:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

=2020=

Common errors
Hi, I noticed that the following was removed from the 'Common errors' section:


 * Back is rounded or arched: during the deadlift, the back should be flat with the spine neutral. If a lifter arches the back, either rounded or arched, the load shifts and can place too much stress or pressure on the back, which may lead to injury. The head is included in the neutral spine and should not be arched or rounded either.
 * 08:44, 1 January 2020‎ 192.114.91.232 talk‎ 17,259 bytes -336‎ →‎Common errors: Misleading, I was proven that back rounding during a deadlift will not lead to any injury.

For people just beginning to learn about the deadlift it might still be an important point to make that the back should not be 'excessively' rounded. So I was thinking the following:


 * Back is excessively rounded or arched: During the deadlift the back is flat with the spine neutral. However some lifters prefer to slightly round their back. If the back is excessively rounded then the load may be lifted awkwardly and place too much stress or pressure on the back, which may lead to injury.

And then re-add the intro section photos which were removed on the basis they showed a slightly rounded back. Any thoughts on these potential edits? RickyBennison (talk) 19:10, 14 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Revision as of 19:00, 2 June 2019 (edit) (undo)2a02:8070:d1a8:d300:b420:d7c2:9c59:a9da (talk)(removed the picture, because it showed a deadlift with arched back and neck. In direct contrast to "common errors" on the same page. Also unhealthy example, because this execution is prone to injury.)

Records

 * New RAW record by Thor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t3OU5rsR28 but its unofficial so not sure if it belongs here or not... 216.189.160.215 (talk) 23:54, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Official
Is there some world recognised body that holds the 'records' or is this too subjective?Halbared (talk) 11:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If we take Guinness Book of World Records as reference, Eddie Hall is the official record holder. Thor doing it at home raises many doubts regarding the legitimacy of the new record.  Brian Shaw for instance also suggested that breaking a record outside of competition ruling is highly dubious as it mitigates many factors that Eddie was placed under when breaking the world record.  I suggest that we include both the official (under compeitive ruling and Guinness records) and Thor's as unofficial.  There's also so much bickering about the title.  I am looking into implementing protections for this page to prevent trivial edits in the near future.  Official ruling should be out most likely after the pandemic though.  Thomaslam1990 (talk) 03:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I know this was back in May, but at the moment, we have only Thor's record. Is there agreement to have both Eddie and Thors? On a related matter, where do the records stop? Using a standard bar without kit I can see. But then there are elephant bars and tyre lifts (are they all the same height?), the current tyre lift that apparently happened this year was the hummer tyre lift.Halbared (talk) 17:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There has been other strength related records being broken in the same manner as Thor's deadlift and they have been marked as new world records. With regards to the Elephant/Hummer tire deadlifts, the Elephant bar is a different bar (more whip than a standard bar) and is the same height as the standard bar. The Hummer tire deadlift starts at a different height (higher than the standard deadlift) and has only been performed in the ASC and Shaw Classic contests as far is I know. Both do not allow the use of a deadlift suit (straps are allowed). So it's basically different equipment. KingBigW (talk) 16:36, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

=References=

World Record 2020
Obtaining a world record in a 'home gym' should be studied as a possible training scenario when compared to actually doing it in a competition where multiple contests may have already occurred. This could give unfair advantage and devalue past achievements. 2600:1700:7606:A01F:496D:4948:F653:B7C9 (talk) 09:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Sumo deadlift world records
They should add the records for sumo deadlift to this page. Jamal browner pulled 500kg (1102 lbs) with just straps (no deadlift suit) and Krzysztof Wierzbicki pulled 502.5 kg (1107 lbs) with just straps as-well. Oopdi (talk) 14:56, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

World Record clarity and validity
Currently the section on world records is problematic as it combines different sports with different standards to the completion of the lift. Thor's 501 kg for example was judged according to strongman rules, but would not be valid in a powerlifting competition (not even equipped), due to strongman judging being much more lenient compared to powerlifting. At the same time the section currently includes records that are very unofficial as they were set in categories that don't exist in competition and were set outside of competition and thus not judged to standard criteria. A recommendation would be to split this section into powerlifting records (raw and equipped, possibly consider splitting for sumo pulls), strongman records and unofficial records. 80.114.173.179 (talk) 17:13, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

501 deadlift record should be annotated as a gym lift.
There's no telling who couldn't have lifted 501 in their home gym. 69.76.149.217 (talk) 08:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Potential injury section
I think this article should have a section dedicated for the potential injuries one can incur when preforming the deadlift, similar to what the article on bench press has 51.174.18.144 (talk) 17:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)