Talk:Deane Keller (draftsman)

Lyme
This "reference" link has become non-working:
 * LymeLine.com press release Retrieved July 13, 2007.

I have no doubt that the information was viewable on July 13, 2007; but the link is non-working on November 2, 2009. There may be a way to restore this in a slightly different form? I wonder if a suggested form of the original citation will solve this problem?
 * "LACFA Dean Keller Exhibit June 2007," Lyme Line. June 2007?

There may be another way to proceed? --Tenmei (talk) 01:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I've added working links to the school archives and Saatchi website re: the 2007 show. Thanks for your good work, Tenmei. Now back I slink into semi-retirement. JNW (talk) 15:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Artistic lineage
This graphic student/teacher lineage may have a place in this article; however, this infobox would be better if it could be made smaller, narrower?

I quickly checked the lineage before posting it in the article; and then I went back to post the inline citation supports. However, that quick scan included the wrong Bridgman -- a contemporary Frederick Arthur Bridgman (also known as "the American Gérôme"). Both the American Bridgman and the Canadian Bridgman studied in Paris with Gérôme and Boulanger ... but I can find no obvious online source which documents a student/teacher relationship linking either of the Bridgman painters and either one of the Kellers.

In short, Manella relied on a source which I can't identify yet (or perhaps he was simply wrong); and this section needs to remain in a kind of limbo on this talk page until our small problem can be resolved.

Artistic lineage
Among Keller's students was Eric Mannella (b. 1974), who honored the passing of his teacher by explicitly identifying the connections inherent in other students-teacher relationships of a verifiable chain stretching across history to the French academic painters and the founding of the French Academy in 1648.


 * Keller studied with his father, Deane Keller Sr. (1901-1992)
 * Keller's father studied with George Bridgman (1864-1943)


 * Bridgeman was a student of student of Jean-Léon Gérôme (1824-1904) and Gustave Boulanger (1824-1888) in Paris
 * Gérôme was a student of Hippolyte Delaroche, also known as Paul Delaroche (1797-1856)
 * Delaroche was a student of Antoine-Jean Gros (1771-1835)
 * Gros was a pupil of Jacques-Louis David (1748-1825)
 * David studied with Joseph-Marie Vien (1716-1809)
 * Vien studied with François Boucher (1703-1770)
 * Boucher was a student of François Lemoyne (1688-1737)
 * Lemoyne was a pupil of Louis Galloche (1670-1761)
 * Galloche studied with Louis de Boullogne(1657-1733), also known as Boullogne fils
 * Boullogne studied with his father, Louis Boullogne (c.1609-1674), also known as Louis le père. He was one of 14 founders of the Académie de peinture et de sculpture in 1648.
 * ____________

Comments? Questions? Suggestions? --Tenmei (talk) 16:24, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * My thoughts on this are that as interesting as it is, similar lineages can be constructed for many artists, so their value is worth discussing. Further, though I have no reason to doubt its accuracy, the source is a blog. This would probably be more appropriate to include, perhaps in passing, if it were first mentioned in a reliable source/objective publication. As it stands, it looks a little like original research. Okay, I'm gone again.... JNW (talk) 16:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, thanks. For now, this looks like I walked a little too far down a promising path; but in the end, it simply turned out to be unworkable.  Perhaps this has some justification in terms of exploring the perimeters of what Wikipedia is and is not? --Tenmei (talk) 21:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation, father and son
See thread at Talk:Deane Keller. --Tenmei (talk) 05:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)