Talk:Dear Zindagi

Redirect
In this edit I redirected the article to Gauri Shinde. There was no effort made to establish that the film had begun principal photography, which is Film Article 101. Per WP:NFF:
 * Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date. The assumption should also not be made that because a film is likely to be a high-profile release it will be immune to setbacks—there is no "sure thing" production. Until the start of principal photography, information on the film might be included in articles about its subject material, if available. Sources must be used to confirm the start of principal photography after shooting has begun. (Emphasis theirs)

Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:41, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Redirected the article again here because at no point in these 24 edits by 16 users did anyone fulfill the first step in establish a film's notability, proving that principal photography has begun. See WP:NFF Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:48, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Ali Zafar in Dear Zindagi?
Hi!

Why the name of Ali Zafar has been removed from the article, without providing any proof or valid source? Yes there is news about dropping "scenes" of him from "trailer" only, but no one has yet published news about his removal from movie-team or whole movie. I think he would remain in it.


 * http://m.thehindu.com/features/cinema/srkalia-starrer-dear-zindagi-first-look-unveiled/article9235614.ece
 * http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/dear-zindagi-alia-bhatt-shah-rukh-khan-3090045/
 * http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/music/sony-music-acquires-music-rights-of-dear-zindagi-starring-alia-bhatt-3059178/
 * http://www.news18.com/news/movies/dear-zindagi-first-look-shah-rukh-khan-alia-bhatt-will-drive-your-midweek-blues-away-1302937.html
 * http://m.indiatoday.in/story/dear-zindagi-trailer-ali-zafar-shah-rukh-khan-alia-bhatt-gauri-shinde-pak-actors-ban/1/789629.html
 * http://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment/latest-hindi-movie-news-bollywood-movies-news-updates/bollywood/Pakistani-actor-Ali-Zafar-to-not-be-a-part-of-Dear-Zindagi-trailer/photostory/54914025.cms
 * http://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/bollywood/181016/pakistani-actor-ali-zafars-part-in-dear-zindagi-will-not-see-the-light-of-day.html

Please check the links provided as reference (without ref tags). Thanks! M.Billoo2000 (talk) 04:38, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * His name was removed here, here and here by IP 128.185.17.20 with no explanation. I think it's pretty clear based on this link you provided that he is featured in the movie, and thus he should be included in the cast list. That said, the source doesn't say he received a starring role, so I would probably leave him out of the Infobox's starring parameter and out of the lead. "Starring" ≠ "appearing in". It's a special credit that actors usually negotiate for. If a film has not been released, it is vital that additions to the cast section be supported by reliable sources, as Wikipedia is not a 'crystal ball'. I have added the reference in this edit. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:43, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Soundtrack
Hi !

What has been done on Soundtrack section of the article? Added same track "twice"?!! Why??? And who calls that adding a note is "Vandalism"?!!

Please add "time" after "release of soundtrack album OFFICIALLY"!!!

By the way, "Love You Zindagi" is title track of the movie, according to this official video, then why here is mentioned "Promotional Song" and from where it has been referenced?

Thanks! M.Billoo2000 (talk) 18:47, 6 November 2016 (UTC)


 * There's a difference between promotional song (or promotional video song) and actual song(full track) for the same song. One have to mention this here and from the difference between two reliable sources mentioned in the Track listing section it's clear now. Both are official. That note was impractical to an extent.


 * "Please add "time" after "release of soundtrack album OFFICIALLY"!!!" - I can't get this phrase of yours. Thanks. Hcns (talk) 06:25, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Request for page protection
Hi! After taking a look on recent edits, I think there should be "page protection". Thanks! M. Billoo 07:41, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * What are some of the problems that warrant page protection? I don't see many edits in the history labeled as vandalism. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 12:22, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Not saying because of vandalism, but because mostly anonymous users are (were) adding and removing material without any good edit summary. And on your edit on "critical reception", I want to ask that how to provide meaningful encyclopedic context? Also there have been some other symbols used. Thanks! M. Billoo 23:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * When we write critical response sections, ideally we want to organize ideas in some clear way. For instance, let's say that we want to discuss cinematography, acting, and storyline, we would write in such a way to link reviewer opinions and use light quotations to support our summaries. Like:
 * The film's cinematography received attention from critics, several of whom praised the wide sweeping shots used throughout the dance sequences. "Brilliant," said John Doe of ABC Times, who gave the film 3 stars out of 5. "I felt as though I was flying." Rory Sen of DEF Bugle wrote, "I was transported to the crisp verdant hills of Switzerland. The techniques used by Salman Croix were astounding." These sentiments were not felt by Roy Smythe of DEF Times who described the photography as "dizzying ... I thought I was going to throw up. However, the acting was spot on and I found Mamta Bloggs to be believable and adorable." Bloggs' portrayal of the street urchin was described as "hilarious and lovable. I wanted to adopt her. Bloggs had amazing chemistry with Hrithik Jones, who did an excellent job of eliciting tears as the kind-hearted businessman."
 * That's ideally what these sections should look like, but I know it's very time-consuming and difficult to write. That said, quotations should still be used sparingly, as we can't base large sections of the article on excerpted content. Hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:54, 26 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Hmm... surely it would be time consuming. I am not good at that point to take one point from each critic. M. Billoo 12:46, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I pressed the SAVE button accidentally, I was still editing... M. Billoo 20:25, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * At the very least, the extracted quotes should be succinct and not be repetitive or ramble on. As for this, I appreciate your attempt, but I think the result is somewhat problematic as we've basically wound up burying the negative reviews at the bottom of a wall of positive reviews, which tends to make it difficult to get a neutral perspective on the critical response. There were numerous negative reviews, like Indian Express, DNA, Firstpost, Bollywood Hungama, Deccan Chronicle, etc. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:09, 27 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I have seen your messages just now... Maybe I understood what you are saying, but I don't know how to correct that... I tried to pick one or two special points from critics. Here, some users have added possible "ratings by critics" (this is what I have started here). Also, most have mentioned like "SRK and Bhatt were good", "Beautiful chemistry between two leads" or etc., so I made it one line as, "Most critics praised SRK and Bhatt", which shouldn't be...... Most critics also have told movie plot or story, which was also added here. Could you please please make them better? Thanks! M. Billoo 22:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2016
Fameganesh92 (talk) 04:54, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No request made. -- Dane 2007  talk 06:15, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

New page for 'Soundtrack'
Hi! What are your thoughts on creating a new page for the soundtrack? The similar info can be removed from this page, and added in new page with additional info. Check this: User:M.Billoo2000/sandbox/Dear Zindagi (soundtrack). Thanks! M. Billoo 04:33, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The page looks nice to me. Let Cyphoidbomb speak on it. Mr. Smart  LION  13:16, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Provided that the notability criteria is met (see WP:NALBUM), it is probably fine. The project on a whole doesn't seem to like Controversy sections, as they tend to needlessly draw attention to what are typically negative events. This presents a bit of a POV issue. However the content is fine, but maybe incorporate it somewhere intuitive like in a production section or something? Some of the content, specifically release dates in the Music videos section needs referencing. But overall a strong effort, Billoo. Good work. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:32, 8 September 2017 (UTC)