Talk:Death Cab for Cutie/Archive 1

Moving the page
The band is far more popular than the song that takes its name, as evidenced by the fact that practically all the links are for the band. It belongs there.AaronSw 00:14, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Moved. violet/riga (t) 18:13, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Information
I visited the page hoping to learn more about the band and did just that. But I still haven't any idea what type of music they play. Could someone knowledgeable include this in the entry? I do realise it's difficult to place them in one genre but would really improve the entry's overall quality...
 * Well, the first paragraph of the article refers to Death Cab as an indie rock band, which might be the most descriptive the article can get. Would some comparisons to other bands help?  I'm not certain that anything else can be done. -  Jersyko   talk  15:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Indie rock is probably best for now. Otherwise we'll have pages of discussion debating bands for comparison...and after listening to the band, I must confess they are difficult to categorise. - Jeffrey King   talk  12:13, 14 October 2005 (EST)
 * Someone recently changed DCFC from indie rock to rock and I for one support this. I like the band a lot and have for years, but now that they're on Atlantic it's pretty hard to argue that they're indie.  If someone wants to rewrite to reflect that their categorization is debatable that would probably help to stem an edit war (battle? skirmish?).--Hraefen 19:19, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with this characterization. I would caution, however, that the signing of a band with a major label does not always indicate that the band is no longer indie.  I would certainly argue that bands like Built to Spill and Modest Mouse are still solidly indie rock bands.  While indie rock is difficult to define, I think that with the release of Plans, one could convincingly argue that DCFC is no longer an indie rock band, nonetheless. -  Jersyko   talk  20:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There's an ungodly long debate taking place is Talk:The Decemberists about this very subject. The majority opinion seems to be that the term "indie rock" has come to refer to a style of music, independent of a band's label affiliation. --djrobgordon 02:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Bands Destination
When Death cab played at the Carling Academy Brixton on the night of June 28th, the lead singer announced that this would be their last gig as Death Cab for Cutie as they were all joinging Babyshambles. Any confirmation?
 * This definitely sounds like Ben Gibbard having a little fun. I wouldn't take it too seriously.--Hraefen 15:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I was there; it was blatently a joke. It was referring to the contrast between Death Cab and Babyshambles. Not only that, but the official website is the same, and they had other gigs after that billed as Death Cab for Cutie, and they all laughed afterwards. He paused after 'last gig...' and everyone in the audience were shocked and then he continued and they all laughed. Srxcef 19:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Barsuk Treats Vol. 1?
Can anyone confirm this actually exists? I haven't been able to find it referenced anywhere aside from here on wikipedia. It doesn't appear on the DCFC or Barsuk websites. Here it redirects to an obviously unrelated "Roller Coaster (Album)." The only other references online are obviously stolen from here. I'm inclined to believe it doesn't exist. If anyone can dispute that they need to create content for the page, until then I think the link needs to go. YoMamma568 02:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Weird code
On the reference section, there is some strange code. I'm sort of a noob, so you may want to check it out and fix it :)
 * ^ http://www.deathcabforcutie.com/

Reference #5

Artoonie 01:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

namechecking
According to the namechecking article (which has its own problems), namechecking is mentioning a name in song lyrics (or a film [!?]) but it doesn't say anything about television shows. Assuming Death Cab actually was mentioned on Ugly Betty, why aren't we just saying that they were mentioned? (I'll hold off for the moment on whether or not the mention is worth mentioning.) — The Storm Surfer 01:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

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for/For
Their website uses a capitalized "For", so this should be moved? Or no? Milto LOL pia 16:07, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it should all be lowercase, as that is how it appears on all of their album covers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.49.165 (talk) 03:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Image
Is that really the best image of the band that we have? Don't they have some sort of promotional image we could use? Cause really, that picture sucks as a main picture. bob rulz (talk) 06:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Explanation of members
I think it would be good to give a summary of the current members and their role(s) in the band. Perhaps this could go at the beginning of the article. This seems to be an element that is pretty much standard on other band pages, but it's missing here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albotros64 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

GAN on hold
(version reviewed) And leave me a note when done. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "For the song that inspired the band's name, see Death Cab for Cutie (song)." - you should mention who it's by
 * Lead has no mention of side projects etc.
 * "Ellis Street home Ben lived in" - refer to them using surnames throughout
 * "His playing on “The Employment Pages” and “Company Calls Epilogue” were kept" - change were to was, I think
 * "next release, Transatlanticism.[4] Transatlanticism was released in October of 2003" - merge these sentences...reads poorly otherwise
 * "Plans was somewhat well-acclaimed by critics and fans" - how was it somewhat? And any sources/examples or reviews/anything?
 * "According to a recent blog posting on the Hall Of Justice website, Walla claims that their new album is "in full swing" and that they already have six songs completed" - needs ref
 * "DCFC Union" - what's that?
 * The Narrow Stairs (2007–2008) section seems to have been written by someone different to the rest...it doesn't read nearly as well...
 * in Ben Gibbard section, refer to him only using surname
 * Same in the next section
 * I don't think this EL is necessary
 * Check italics for newspapers/magazines in refs
 * Ref 13 needs formatting
 * Are refs 16, 17, and 18 reliable?
 * All done Gary King ( talk ) 17:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * See stuff below. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 00:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore

 * Why is there an entire section about solo/side projects? I can cite a number of precedents (Radiohead, Audioslave, Blur) where such sections have been completely removed. The reasoning is, this is an article about Death Cab for Cutie, its history musical style, influence etc, not about what the band members did during their time away from the band. If the side projects need be mentioned at all, it should be along with the history itself. Eg:The band went on hiatus during which time they recorded with their side project... (Not too much detail is required...I wouldn't object to the removal of that section without even incorporating the info into the article actually)
 * If the side projects have had a significant impact on the band's career, a seperate section could be justified, otherwise probably best to merge it. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 00:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I realized that even the band members have their own articles, so I've removed the sections since it would just be duplicating their own articles. Gary King ( talk ) 01:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The article is rather short and makes absolutely no mention of what the the band sound like; a "Musical style" is needed here. Since there are no sound samples either, without such a section the reader is left with little idea about the band's sound. In addition, it might be useful to include quotes from notable reviewers that sum up various albums' music, while commenting on whether the album is good or bad. For eg: "melodic, melancholy songs about feeling both smart and confused, hopelessly romantic but wary of love." from Rolling Stone
 * It should be better now. I will leave the music samples to someone who knows how to do them. Gary King ( talk ) 02:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Reduce overlinking: After the first time you mention a band member in the body of the article, do not mention his first name or link throughout. So Ben Gibbard the first time, only Gibbard from then on.
 * Done Gary King ( talk ) 01:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * indopug (talk) 21:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

All my concerns are addressed. Good job indopug (talk) 05:11, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Awesome, passing then. Thanks for your commentary, and thanks Gary for your non-stop work! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Narrow Stairs
The studio version of the album was ripped on 3/18/2008 and subsequently available for download from Internet sources as of 3/31/2008. 75.50.99.6 (talk) 11:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Number of albums?
We need a bit of consistency here: the band page says eight, the page for Narrow Stairs says six. I can understand where 6 and 7 come from (including or excluding Chords), but what about 8? Sceptre (talk) 21:49, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not just include studio albums? The Death Cab for Cutie discography (which I'm assuming is accurate, as it's FA), lists six. Naerii 01:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Depends on whether you count Chords - on one hand, most of the songs on the original release were re-released on Airplanes, but on the other, the re-release has more tracks than any other of their albums. Sceptre (talk) 01:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Mhm yeah I see your point. I'm not really fussed myself either way, but it'd be good if there was a concrete consensus on what to write to stop people changing it willy-nilly (I recall a similar edit war on Narrow Stairs a while back). Maybe one of those hidden comments that's also being used for a note about the band's genre? Naerii 01:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

This is GA?
The musical style section is lamentably short, especially for a GA. As they've released a fair few albums that have garnered plenty of reviews, there should be a wealth of material to cite. Currently we have a couple of critic's comments on Trans and Plans, and a little bit about Gibbard's voice. I think a thorough reading of all the reviews of all their albums should give someone a good overview of their general style and how it's changed over time (which is usually something critics comment on). I'll do this myself if I find the time in between motivating myself to write Black Holes & Revelations.

The entire article is actually a bit short for a band that has a pretty long history. The fact that four of their albums (2/3 of their studio discography) are covered in one sub-section says it all, I think. And that's not to mention that there's a tag. Thoughts? I don't know if I'm holding this to a too-high standard, but I think GA can do better. Naerii 01:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It probably can do better. In terms of music style stuff I don't hold GAs to that high a standard because there's disagreement as to if those sections do fall under the broad (as opposed to comprehensive) criteria. Anyways, I'm happy to help out where I can on this, though I've only heard so much of the band's work. —Giggy 05:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll do what I can. Gary <b style="color:#02b;">King</b> ( talk ) 05:44, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, why is one of their albums a subsection of the history section? ƒingers on  Roids  21:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

why the name?
what's the story behind "death cab for cutie"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.120.103 (talk) 14:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's already mentioned in the article. They're named after a song by the British comedic rock band The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 14:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone has vandalized the entire page. Please fix this. Thanks. 67.188.45.27 (talk) 20:37, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Has been reverted (18 edits!?!) and the main vandal of the bunch (User:Iliketurtwigs), blocked.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 22:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

External link to Death Cab for Cutie page on last.fm
Hello,

i would like to suggest an external link to Death Cab for Cuties's last.fm page (http://www.last.fm/music/Death+Cab+for+Cutie). Last.fm is a user generated music platform offering free legal contents such as music and videos. They have free streams of Death Cab for Cuties albums, videos, stats, updated gigs listings about the band, etc.. As a member of last.fm staff i would like to point your attention to what we believe to be relevant and free contents for those wikipedia users interested in the band.

cheers,

Marco - Last.fm Staff - Mystical-bunny (talk) 10:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

On that note, would a database of Death Cab's concert performances be worthy of an external link - e.g. www.songkick.com/artists/90222-death-cab-for-cutie? As I work for Songkick I can't add it myself (and the last thing I want to be is a self-promoting corporate shill) but I'm curious to hear what the community thinks (which is why I'm asking the same question across quite a few talk pages). I suspect it may qualify under point #3 of the ELYES policy, but I'm far from certain. As precedents, both Shirley Manson and Glastonbury Festival have similar links added by contributors. Michaelorland (talk) 12:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * You two might want to read wikipedia's policy on External Links at WP:EL.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 13:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * We've centalized the disscution about songkick.com at the External_links/Noticeboard, See this discussion. Feel free to comment on this link suitability there. thanks--Hu12 (talk) 19:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Genre
They should be considered Emo, not indie rock since they are signed to a Major record label... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.186.214.78 (talk • contribs).


 * Erm, indie rock band Built to Spill has been signed to a major label for a decade, and they're certainly not emo. · <b style="color:#709070;">j e r s y k o</b> <i style="color:#007BA7; font-size:x-small;">talk</i> · 01:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I would suggest changing it to "Indie Rock (Earlier)" and "Alternative Rock" Gmags2003 (talk) 09:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

If Death Cab fans around the world were informed of this conversation, you would be drawn and quartered. Death Cab for Cutie originated in a time where 'emo' was todays indie. Since the scream-rockers added eyeliner, Death Cab for Cutie is indie.

sorry to say this but emo is dead the only 'emo' band were Rights of spring and they split up in the 90s and death cab are not "indie" they just "alternative rock"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.162.131 (talk) 19:33, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * They are "indie". Indie is defined by the fans who listen to it now and a little by the music they make. They were independant and hit mainstream. Other bands like The Decemberists and Vampire Weekend have also kept their "indie cred" once they hit mainstream.

Emo?
So how is it figured that Transatlanticism represents some sort of change to Emo? — The Storm Surfer 05:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

emo is dead the only 'emo' band were "Rights of spring" and they split up in the 90s and death cab are not "indie" they just "alternative rock" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.162.131 (talk) 19:35, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Emo?
I saw that somebody put emo on the genres. What do you guys think? I say no, but, this will probably need a citation as well regardless...--Unionhawk Talk 01:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, especially since emo is so hotly contested anyway, this should be properly sourced to prevent any arguments over it. Angryapathy (talk) 12:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

i agree because emo is dead the only 'emo' band were "Rights of spring" and they split up in the 90s and death cab are not "indie" they just "alternative rock"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.162.131 (talk) 19:37, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Band Genre
Once again, the genre of the band is under dispute. Personally, I don't think they're an emo band, but edit warring over it is no reasonable way to state that. What do you think? Sources to support either view would be extremely helpful.--Unionhawk Talk E-mail Review 17:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Most refrences to emo in regards to this band come from their early releases, when the term was used as an almost synonym to "indie rock" (another well defined term). I recall at the time that many music journalists would lump them in with every other "emo" band at the time.  To lable them emo or not here, I don't really care, were they in the past, maybe kinda sorta, I dont want anything to do with that can o worms.--Saul T (talk) 19:23, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

they are not emo,emo is dead the only 'emo' band were Rights of spring and they split up in the 90s and death cab are not "indie" they just "alternative rock" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.162.131 (talk) 19:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

best thing to happen to indie music
"Death Cab for Cutie ......is widely considered to be the best thing to happen to indie music thus far. "

This may be the most unencyclopedic statement in this article thus far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.125.146 (talk) 04:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

how are they indie?,They're with warner —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.162.131 (talk) 12:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

they're not 'Indie' or 'Emo'
they're not indie becuase they are with a mayjor record label so why do you lot think they're still indie? and they're not emo because the only true 'emo' band were 'Rites of Spring' and even they hated the term so cab we just leave them as alternative rock?86.155.162.131 (talk) 12:32, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Death Cab release first single for Twilight New Moon soundtrack
Not sure how to be encyclopedic but there should be a mention of this event reported on Hitfix.com on Aug 27th 2009.

Death Cab For Cutie has scored the leading single spot for the forthcoming "Twilight Saga: New Moon" soundtrack, with an all-new track "Meet Me On the Equinox."

The track will be unveiled on the MTV website during the Sept. 13 broadcast of the cable network's Music Video Awards (VMAs).

DCFC bassist Nick Harmer confirmed the band's participation to MTV.

"We didn't expect it would be chosen for the first single - we were thinking it would be a part of the soundtrack, maybe," he said. "I have no idea if ['Twilight' author] Stephenie Meyer approved it or what. It's been an exciting process, because we've been so removed from it. We were in L.A. for a week and we went into the studio and wrote and recorded the song and submitted it. We didn't know where anything stood, and then we just got a call last week like, 'Guess what - your song has been chosen as the first single.'"

Harmer went on to describe "Equinox" as"pretty dark and brooding, lyrically." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.207.45 (talk) 11:02, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

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