Talk:Death of Arkadiusz Jóźwik

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It is important that this article is retained, because Mr Jozwik’s death was originally widely, and falsely, reported as if it was a hate crime against him because he was a Pole. Sweet6970 (talk) 17:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Edits 18 September 2019
To User:Bulldog Antz : Re the revert of my edit about the direct cause of death: do you dispute the fact Mr Jozwik died as a result of the injuries he suffered when he hit the ground, as stated in the sources? If so, please provide a suitable source. If not, you should not have reverted my edit. Sweet6970 (talk) 20:53, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * From the BBC report, the first source used :

A teenage boy who killed a man with a "superman punch" has been detained for three years.

Rosina Cottage, prosecuting, told the court the defendant - who was 15 at the time - had moved behind him and used the "whole force of his body" to throw "a superman punch" to his head.

Your 'mitigating' point that it was not the violent assault that killed him, but the pavement, was, as I understand it,  an argument used by the assailants legal team. So your edit seems to me to be too much adopting that line, and presenting it as a kind of line accepted equally by all. Bulldog Antz (talk) 21:21, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The Guardian article cited as a reference states as a fact: ‘Jozwik, who had been drinking, fell and hit his head on the pavement, causing the injuries that led to his death in hospital two days later.’ The Guardian does not say that this was disputed by the prosecution. The cause of death is a factual matter and I cannot see any reason why it would not be included in the article. The present wording of the article suggests that the force of the blow to the head directly caused the death, which is misleading. Sweet6970 (talk) 22:02, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The Guardian headline is pretty clear also isn't it. I would leave it as it is personally. Bulldog Antz (talk) 23:04, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Good morning User:Bulldog Antz On your comment last night: I would never trust a headline to accurately summarise a news story. I intend to reinstate the information I added yesterday. Sweet6970 (talk) 09:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)