Talk:Death of Berkin Elvan

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I have edited ", upon the orders of Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan, while on his way to buy bread" because it contains violence. and also it has been prooved that the boy was not going to buy bread, he went to hospital with explosives http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=xlhzip&s=8#.UyApCIVYtJ0––Mfsafak (talk) 09:34, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I express my grief on his death but he is not a noteworthy person to be a WP article --95.0.37.234 (talk) 10:12, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

"I have edited ", upon the orders of Turkey's Prime Minister Erdogan, while on his way to buy bread" Is this a joke? How has it been freaking "prooved"?? How? When? By whom? Where is the proof? The link you provided doesn't even have anything to do with this particular topic. 78.180.194.76 (talk) 23:36, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps not noteworthy for someone not following what's happening in Turkey and the demonstrations following the incident and his death. For Turkey he is as noteworthy as the "Tank Man". He is a symbol of random police brutality and the oppression of the current government. Article shouldn't be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.98.179 (talk) 06:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

15 years old?
Article says: Berkin Elvan "was a 15-year-old Kurdish boy who was hit on the head..." The age question is, when he died, he was 15 years old. He was 14 years old when he was hit on the head by a gas canister. As we mention the incident which made him noteworthy, we should perhaps put his age at that moment, i.e. 14, isn't it? Ilyacadiz (talk) 18:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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Ethnicity or nationality
Semsûrî, regarding this, since so many (likely the vast majority) of sources use "Turkish", I'm not sure that "Turkish" should be removed. WP:Verifiability states, "If reliable sources disagree, then maintain a neutral point of view and present what the various sources say, giving each side its due weight." For example, in the Mariah Carey article, we give two birth dates. But in the case of Elvan, it doesn't seem so much as a conflict between sources, but rather the fact that, like the Kurds article currently states, "Kurds are an ethnic group native to a mountainous region of Western Asia known as Kurdistan, which spans southeastern Turkey, northwestern Iran, northern Iraq, and northern Syria."

Please don't ping me if you reply. This article is on my watchlist. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 01:44, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * His national background could surely be re-added in a way that his ethnicity is highlighted as well. “Turkish of Kurdish ethnicity/origin” could be an option. --Semsurî (talk) 08:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Semsurî. Maybe give that a try? Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 00:37, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what should be done regarding the categories. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 05:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


 * As a native Turkish speaker I can say that these sources are not saying that he was Kurdish. Therefore I reverted the edits. Laz (talk) 17:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * His mother sang a Kurdish elegy at his funeral. --Semsurî (talk) 19:12, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * If it is enough to call someone Kurdish, information can stay. Homever anyone can sing a Kurdish elegy. Source should be more certain. His father side is not Kurdish anyway. Laz (talk) 19:34, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It's common practice for Kurds to sing Kurdish elegies at funerals, so it wouldn't make sense if she was ethnically Turkish. Nevertheless, it seems he was of mixed ethnicity which should be mentioned. --Semsurî (talk) 19:47, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Gülsüm Elvan is from Tunceli. This does not automatically make him Kurdish, because there are predominantly Zazas in Tunceli. Although the Kirmans claim that Zazas are also Kurds, their language is different. Gülsüm Elvan's lament in Zazaki does not make Berkin Elvan Kurdish. His father is neither Kırmançi nor Zaza, of Turkish origin. Since Berkin Elvan would not have been able to define himself as a Turk or a Zaza at the age of 14, he would not have been able to. Ethnicity cannot be said to be this or that. Nobody has the right to determine the ethnic origin of a person who is no longer alive, in line with his own ideology. Berkin Elvan is a citizen of the Republic of Turkey and this is certain information. 37.154.174.241 (talk) 18:41, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

main image of article likely be deleted
Image File:Berkin Elvan.jpg has been requested for deletion on Commons due to copyright violation. I recommend that one of the editors uploads it in reduced resolution locally to :en under a fair-use rationale. --Túrelio (talk) 17:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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