Talk:Death of Jeffrey Epstein/Archive 2

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 * Jeffrey Epstein Protestor.jpg

no lividity

 * https://nypost.com/2020/01/16/disturbing-evidence-in-jeffrey-epsteins-autopsy-points-to-his-murder-pathologist
 * https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-disturbing-evidence-baden
 * https://www.doctoroz.com/episode/true-crime-exclusive-access-inside-jeffrey-epstein-autopsy-medical-examiner-who-was-there


 * “The blood settles after we die. The so-called lividity, if you’re hanging, the lividity is on the lower part on the legs. These would be like maroon/purple, front and back and they aren’t,” Baden tells Dr. Mehmet Oz.


 * Epstein’s lower extremities were pale and not purple or bluish, which he said would have been the case had he hanged himself"

Please, add "no lividity on the lower part on the legs" --93.211.220.238 (talk) 06:54, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

✅ Thanks. ~ HAL  333  00:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Jeffrey epstein eyes prove murder.
According to Dr Baden who was on the Dr OZ show. The capillary in both eyes burst this is caused by manual strangulation and not hanging. Thus proving that Jeffery Epstein was murdered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.95.120 (talk) 16:55, 2 February 2020 (UTC)


 * My eyes are bloodshot today. Now — who murdered me...?--Jack Upland (talk) 09:59, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Whisky? ;) ——  SN  54129  10:30, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Epstein Pizzagate
How do you see Epstein and Pizzagate as being related? I see no relationship other than speculative conspiracy theories, referencing "the gothic fantasies of Pizzagate, the debunked conspiracy theory" and Epstein, and had found no other connection between the two Wikipedia pages. I find the link merely sensationalizing. (Quote: New Yorker https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-the-uk/prince-andrews-noxious-interview-about-jeffrey-epstein) Lindenfall (talk) 21:00, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * My reasoning was that it places some of the Epstein conspiracy theorists into a greater context. Sure the link isn't directly related, but it doesn't have to be. If it was, it would be embedded in the article. See the featured article 1740 Batavia massacre which has a link to a massacre over 200 years later. Surely a relevant conspiracy theory that occurred only a few years before his death should be included. Many international readers, and domestic, may not understand why some people's first reaction was "Hillary!" Further, many mainstream sources have recognized the relation between the two.  ~  HAL  333  04:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I see, but disagree. Mainstream sources may comment on both, but they remain unrelated. Including it smacks of tabloidism, to my mind. Also, this is temporal, not encyclopedic: "Many international readers, and domestic, may not understand why some people's first reaction was 'Hillary!'" Including it leaves readers to assume there is a true connection, of which none is known, at least at this time, undermining WP:NPOV. Lindenfall (talk) 23:30, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

I have removed it. The two are unrelated, and I strongly oppose promoting Pizzagate any further than it already has been. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:38, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2020
In the picture in "Homicide Suspicion and Speculation" it should be noted that the triple parentheses on Epstein's name is an antisemetic dogwhistle and is used by antisemites to denote Jews 2600:1700:55D0:6090:F973:82E0:5CAC:C08E (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. And any case, the protester already entirely discredits himself with the "Hillary for prison" shirt... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:13, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * We've already addressed this issue. You can find the relevant discussion in the archives. ~ HAL  333  17:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Reapplying semi-protection
Since semi-protection expired on July 5, there have been multiple disruptive edits from IP editors. Considering that this Maxwell case is probably going to be in the courts for a while, I think it would be best to protect this page again. ~ HAL  333  23:33, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The article has been protected virtually continuously since last August. The latest protection expired July 6. There have been three bad IP edits since then, which would normally not be enough to call for protection in my book, but this article has been such a vandalism magnet - including serious BLP violations - that I’m going to give it another six months. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:42, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! ~ HAL  333  23:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2020
Suggesting edit/inclusion to text under final section labeled "In popular culture"

Contributions made under this section include a number of later public mentions of the phrase "Epstein didn't kill himself" but is not inclusive of a primary public mention to to which others may be attributed. Event was aired live on the 27th September 2019 and replay on Australian national television (Nine Network) and streamed online.

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Epstein's death was comedically referenced by celebrity musician Suffa MC of trio Hilltop Hoods during live national television coverage of the 2019 ARIA Music Awards (Link to Article/Video), concluding the acceptance speech for again winning Award for Best Australian Live Act with words "Epstein did not kill himself". Other celebrities include Ricky Gervais, remarking at the 77th Golden Globe Awards that Epstein didn’t commit suicide and on Saturday Night Live, when Adam Driver played a murdered Epstein in hell. Several television documentaries were created due to increased public interest after his death. In May 2020, Netflix released Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich. HBO, SonyTV, and Lifetime also have similar works in progress.

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Epstein's death was comedically referenced by celebrities, such as when Ricky Gervais remarked at the 77th Golden Globe Awards that Epstein didn’t commit suicide and on Saturday Night Live, when Adam Driver played a murdered Epstein in hell. Several television documentaries were created due to increased public interest after his death. In May 2020, Netflix released Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich. HBO, SonyTV, and Lifetime also have similar works in progress. 110.145.1.110 (talk) 03:37, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * ❌ per WP:DAILYMAIL. And in any case, why? Is this any more prominent of a mention? –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 22:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That doesn't seem particularly notable. ~ HAL  333  18:00, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I just realized that it is covered via further information over at Epstein didn't kill himself, if that helps. ~ HAL  333  00:14, 30 August 2020 (UTC)