Talk:Deaths in August 2019

"Gordon Brand Jnr" listing
Can the "Jnr" part be corrected to "Jr." since "Jnr" is not a standard nor accepted abbreviation for "Junior" ?

If you check his article, it already has "Jr" as part of his name in the intro sentence.

So, can a correction be made?

Just curious. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Doubtful. Weird as it looks, legit English sources roll with it. Just one of those oddities, like Harry S Truman or W*ING Kanemura. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:30, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Though it seems those titles changed, so maybe this one can, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's need for change. WP:JR mentions "variations such as Jnr", and suffix (name) says such variations are used in British English. Vycl1994 (talk) 01:51, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

"Jnr" must just be his "brand"! Editrite! (talk) 23:15, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Speaking of jokes, his "normal" name has eight anagrams, most containing "d*rn" or "d*ng". Perhaps the extra letter was a defense mechanism against nerdy playground bullies or strange golf buddies, because it makes the whole thing unmixable (impossible to mix). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:22, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

The Cambridge, Collins and Oxford dictionaries all recognize or accept the "Jnr" abbreviation (apart from the Wikipedia, of course). Editrite! (talk) 09:37, 2 August 2019 (UTC)


 * This discussion began five minutes before this one by the IP at Talk:Gordon Brand Jnr and should remain there. —  Wylie pedia  @ 10:15, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

So about WP:NOTINHERITED...
Just what made the human rights activism of Saoirse Kennedy Hill notable?...she is a redirect to her mother's article and I am hard pressed to see what makes the mother personally notable either,let alone her cousin Patrick Bouvier Kennedy...people who have actually done something significant,yet are best known for their kinship to someone else,routinely have that mention deleted here,yet members of this particular non-royal family get special passes despite being faces in the crowd apart from belonging to that family?12.144.5.2 (talk) 13:52, 2 August 2019 (UTC)


 * You are completely right. Shall be removed. --Folengo (talk) 15:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The troll is clearly not right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:da:cf29:6e31:7d27:8b5a:ab79:88f7 (talk) 15:26, August 2, 2019 (UTC)
 * What troll?...someone who adds the death of a young woman for no reason other than who her grandfather was?--12.144.5.2 (talk) 20:05, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Never mind that - the troll caller is not even brave enough to sign their post. Ref (chew) (do) 20:41, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 * For the record, I'm the one who added Kennedy Hill, which is a moot point because she has been removed, even though it was mentioned in most of her death sources once you get past the surname family history (probably an attempt to make her relevant to society). Such is the case when attempts are made with relatives or spouses who are more in the spotlight, as in the example of Mona Malden above. But, Kennedy Hill's article was created on the date of her death, which also tends to recur in the Wikiworld. —  Wylie pedia  @ 10:30, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Her article . . . what article? What's curious here, apart from the obvious, is the (premature) claimed cause of death as an "overdose". All the reports I've seen say "apparent" or "suspected", and it's doubtful that the official autopsy results were available. When 19, she admitted to attempting suicide, and suffered from depression since her schooldays. Editrite! (talk) 22:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Saoirse Kennedy Hill's redirect. You do know how to look those up, correct? —  Wylie pedia  @ 10:25, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect (for "Kennedy Hill's article") . . . who said anything about a redirect? Editrite! (talk) 21:39, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirects serve many purposes. In this case, it keeps people from thinking she's notable enough to have an article, or is a placeholder should that arise. —  Wylie pedia  @ 01:53, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Damien Lovelock's death
Hi, I am attempting to add Damien Lovelock's death to Wikipedia, I cannot because I need auto-confirmation. please confirm me for the edit so I can document his life's history and work as it is important to history. Thank you. Earl E. Smith (talk) 19:28, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


 * He is listed already on 3 August (his date of death). - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:46, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You are confusing lack of permissions to edit with my removal of your duplicated entry for Lovelock (on the wrong day also). Your edit was reverted, not banned, so you will find that you can still make edits on semi-protected pages, but they need to be new edits not a repeat like the Lovelock one. Best wishes. Ref (chew) (do) 21:33, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Belolo description
Belolo was redesignated from "composer" to "songwriter" because he was a lyricist...shouldn't be be called a "lyricist" with "composer" for those who only write the music and "songwriter" for those who do both??--12.144.5.2 (talk) 13:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I changed it because it seems, from interviews like this ("We write together, Jacques was writing the music, I was writing the lyrics...."), that he wrote lyrics rather than music - but obituaries have used the word "composer" (possibly a misunderstanding) so I won't object if it's changed back. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * In view of this article, I'm now unsure whether Belolo should be credited as songwriter or lyricist at all - it seems that he lost the rights to be credited as co-writer of those songs in a 2015 court case. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:48, 6 August 2019 (UTC)


 * He still wrote song lyrics for The Ritchie Family (as stated above), but the Village People songs listed here should be removed (✅). —  Wylie pedia  @ 21:04, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Jeffrey Epstein's cause of death
It appears to be still under investigation as to whether it was a suicide(see current headline at Google News)...shouldn't the cited cause be less unequivocal?--12.144.5.2 (talk) 18:45, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * NYT calls it suicide. WWGB (talk) 01:20, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * But others are skeptical....and not just wingnuts.12.144.5.2 (talk) 01:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)


 * If an investigation rules otherwise, we will change it here. —  Wylie pedia  @ 12:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Mizanur Rahman Shelley
He was a technocrat minister. He was not seen active in politics. So it is much better to write former minister.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 17:30, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I reverted primarily because of the use of "former" - everyone is former when they are dead. I don't agree with "minister" being a better word as a primary description. "Politician" is the word used as standard, with specifications of the political offices held afterwards, as I did in my later reverts. I will revert you one final time, and if you revert it back again you will be reported. Instead, I suggest that you improve it by adding one more position that the person held, if applicable. --Marbe166 (talk) 17:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with use the term politican in that page. Because, you can see many local politicians are dying everyday across the world. Are they notable? But a minister is notable according to Wikipedia's notability. And the person was not seen active in politics. It is better to write minister.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 17:44, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * No, because the word "minister" can also mean a religious minister, which is not the case here. That's why we need to specify that it is a politician that we are talking about, while also saying that he was notable for being a minister. The level of political activity really doesn't matter, are you a minister in a government then you are a politician. However, in this case it can also be specified what other occupations he had. --Marbe166 (talk) 17:50, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * "Everyone is former when they are dead" . . . technically that is true, but they can also be "former" while they are still alive, as in this case. You wouldn't use "former" just because they had died! Common sense, please. If you want to be pedantic, you could say, ex government minister. Editrite! (talk) 22:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That is why we put their term years next to their positions. Rusted AutoParts  23:03, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That hasn't been done, in this case. Editrite! (talk) 02:07, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Because his enwiki doesn't have his term of office. If any Bangladeshi editor knows of his years in office, please add them with his offices. —  Wylie pedia  @ 04:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * According to this source he was non partisan minister. So it is better to write minister rather than politician.--S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 05:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Politician includes "a person holding or seeking office in government", which seems to describe him adequately. WWGB (talk) 05:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

And yet, of this timestamp, "minister" it is - making him sound like a purveyor of religion instead of a politician which he was. Completely unencyclopaedic outcome to this argument so far. Ref (chew) (do) 19:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Just a product of one of the editors edit warring it back in. I have changed it to politician as it’s clear the consensus is generally to say politician. Rusted AutoParts  19:11, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Sam McGredy IV
Died 25 August. Are we allowing his entry to be a legacy pipe, as in Sam McGredy? There isn't a redirect made for him, nor any prior lineage. Surprised at that, myself. —  Wylie pedia  @ 14:48, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I think we've allowed that kind of pipe previously as there is a direct connection by name, but obviously it disappears after 30 days unless improved upon. I'm not minded personally to remove the piped link. Piping to totally different entities such as bands and companies is a no-no. That link might do well as a redirect though. Ref (chew) (do) 15:09, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Have since dealt with this particular pipe through creation of valid redirect. Ref (chew) (do) 12:58, 29 August 2019 (UTC)