Talk:Deaths in May 2008

Death of Charles Tilly
Can we mention on the main page the death of Charles Tilly, one of the most important modern sociologists, political scientists and historians? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 21:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It is under Deaths in April 2008. This page only documents the deaths in the current month; other months are listed under their appropriate subpages. Editorofthewikireview my edits here! 22:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Notable though he his, the criteria for deaths being noted on the Main Page would exclude him; he would have to satisfy the criteria here, and he doesn't. Sorry. -- Rodhullandemu  (Talk) 22:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Deborah Jeane Palfrey
Surely if she is notable enough to be featured on the deaths page, she deserves a better description than 'American woman'? Aren't there several million of those? I realise there is some controversy surrounding her business so I'm not going to suggest she's described as a pimp or madam, but what's wrong with something like 'American businesswoman, head of Pamela Martin and Associates'? Smurfmeister (talk) 08:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Eight Belles' citizenship
I'd like to see Eight Belles' U.S. passport (or, any other citizenship documents). --88.106.216.65 (talk) 12:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * i'm unaware if animals have passports as such... of course, if you're making a subtle WP:POINT about an animal being on the death list, it's all been thrashed out before on these pages.  tomasz.  11:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was trying to make a subtle point (here on a discussion page where it's allowed - and I think should be encouraged), but not about an animal being on the death list (although, I've done it before and I'll probably do it again sometime). I was trying my hand at point-making on the subject of 'animal citizenship'. Cattle in the UK have documents called 'passports', and there is talk about issuing them to sheep as well, but none of these critters have citizenship, which is what the instructions at the top of the Deaths page asks for. I was, good-humouredly, pointing out (one of) the problems of the page format (that is, if you are going to list animals - oops! I've done it again already. Oh, dear.) --Blake the bookbinder (talk) 01:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Racehorses (at least in Europe) do have documents referred to as "passports" giving various identification marks etc. to prevent one horse running under another name. - fchd (talk) 12:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * When a racehorse of this caliber is born, there is most definitely paperwork to support the birth, as extensive records are kept in terms of lineage. We can see the point you are trying to make, but it's in bad taste, and just rediculous.  The paperwork exists most definitely.  -- su mn ji m  talk with me·changes 16:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You can't have possibly seen the point I was trying to make AND have ended your post with the assertion that "[T]he paperwork exists most definitely." I'm not arguing that horses don't have paperwork or, in some cases, even documents called passports. My point is that horses are not humans and can't hold citizenship (not in the United States anyway). It's a fact of law; if it's 'in bad taste or rediculous' (or, ridiculous even) you'll have to take it up with your congressman. --Blake the bookbinder (talk) 06:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Park Kyung-li
I can't find any citation for the death of Park Kyung-li. The closest i found to a source explaining her death is that she has been hospitalized due to a stroke, (Source Here - ) I would like to know who and how they got the information to add her to the list. How long is it before a non sourced person is removed? Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 18:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Al Pacino
What about him?84.134.109.104 (talk) 18:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What about him.Be best (talk) 03:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's being suggested that he should be listed just in case.-- Rodhull andemu  04:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm completely confused. Never mind. Be best (talk) 06:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yesterday someone posted here that he died in a car crash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.134.116.121 (talk) 17:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Happens all the time. Until it's reliably sourced, we consider him, and others, to be alive.-- Rodhull andemu  17:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Saad Al-Abdullah Al-Salim Al-Sabah
Is there any proof for his dead? I can't find any!84.134.79.149 (talk) 18:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I included sources, may i add that he was given the title crown prince but served as crown prince AND prime minister. Furthermore, there is no such thing as a Kuwaitian, its a Kuwaiti. -Aalsaleh

Kuwaiti Emir should be capitalized correct? It does not necessarily have to come before a name. Aalsaleh (talk) 22:39, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * See Manual of Style %28capital letters%29. It suggests "Emir of Kuwait" but "Kuwaiti emir". Go figure! WWGB (talk) 06:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * the best style is capital of title before the name (i.e. as part of the name) e.g. "King Farouk", and lower case otherwise (when it isn't part of the name) e.g. "When Farouk was king", "He was once prime minister of Ireland". Offices shouldn't be capitalised. It is ugly to have capitals all over the place - it isn't the style of this page which, using the freedom given by Manual of Style %28capital letters%29, should be consistent. Jagdfeld (talk) 10:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, but Manual of Style (capital letters) suggests Prime Minister of Ireland is correct, not prime minister of Ireland. WWGB (talk) 11:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think you are reading carefully. Quote: "However to complicate matters, some style manuals, while saying "The British Prime Minister", recommend "British prime minister". Look at the other entries on the list, references to "offices" are not capitalised. XY, mayor of Z. AB, bishop of C etc. When the title is part of the name (Mayor Brown, Bishop Black), or used as a name, or is on a door perhaps, it is capitalised. Otherwise, it isn't. Overuse of capitals is old fashioned, ugly. Or going through the list shall we capitalise senator, chief of staff, congressman, mayor, governor, minister, priest, ambassador, cardinal, etc? I think perhaps (are you retired person?) you are just not used to seeing lieutenant-governor treated the same way as others. Jagdfeld (talk) 15:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I think Manual of Style (capital letters) is quite clear: "Louis XVI was the French king" but "Louis XVI was King of France". By corollary, "Jack Midren was the Oklahoma lieutenant-governor" but "Jack Midren was Lieutenant Governor of Oklahoma". (And no, I am not a "retired person", not that that is at all relevant to the discussion.) WWGB (talk) 15:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That is hopelessly wrong - at best very old-Fashioned. (Do you believe it? A lot of Wikipedia Policy is written by semi-educated People making ridiculous Distinctions off the Top of the Head.) And it is not on all Fours with the present Case. Your Examples have the Office in a Predicate Position.  Here we have a Name, followed by a Post held in Apposition. Bobby Brown, king of Bulgaria. I follow the Washington Post's Policy. (Retired: I was been cheeky about the Amount of Time you have to oversee this Page.)Jagdfeld (talk) 14:49, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I follow the Wikipedia Manual of Style, which makes the position quite clear, as I have indicated above. Other arguments (overuse, old fashioned, ugly, Washington Post) are interesting but irrelevant here. Personally, I also disagree with elements of the policy, but I am obliged to follow it until it is changed. WWGB (talk) 14:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That is such a priggish attitude - quite endearingly so. But really, you should do what is right. The sky won't fall in. Servers won't crash. PS you do wonderful work keeping everything chugging along here, well done! Jagdfeld (talk) 21:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

(exdent) I've just been reading this discussion and i don't find following policy set by consensus "priggish", at least not by any definition proferred by wiktionary. Perhaps, like WWGB said, you should try and change the policy if you find it so delightfully anachronistic.  tomasz.  15:08, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikilink to a French restaurant
After my edit a moment ago, the entry for Paul Haeberlin (on May 10) now reads
 * Paul Haeberlin, 84, French chef and restaurateur (Auberge de l'Ill, one of Michelin's oldest three-star restaurants).

Notice the piped wikilink for the restaurant. Although the official name of the restaurant has the definite article in it, the wikilink on Haeberlin's article is to "Auberge de l'Ill." If this violates the article-title rule somehow, please change the wikilink on both pages. --zenohockey (talk) 19:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Dianne Odell - May 28th
How is she on this list? The only reason she would be 'notable' is she died. No one outside of her family & friends know her. This happens to people often. Just because the news covers it makes it noteworthy? IMHO, no.

Jerry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.216.59.5 (talk) 08:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * y.h.o. does not concur with our policy... i'm not a doctor, but i imagine she would be regarded as notable for spending a very large portion of her life in a fairly outmoded treatment for a medically unusual condition and for overcoming this significant disability to attain awards and write a book, among other things. Also, yes, the press coverage substantiates this notability as does the fact that she has a wiki article. If you think she's not notable, it'd probably be best to raise this point at that article.  tomasz.  11:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that she had a wiki article substantiates her notability? I thought it was supposed to be the other way around. --Blake the bookbinder (talk) 19:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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