Talk:Deaths in November 2012

Camacho death
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If the result of his death was injuries from a gunshot, wouldn't that become a homicide? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.224.192.145 (talk) 18:02, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * To be clear there are 5 classifications of Death reported by Medical Examiners- homicide, suicide, natural, accidental and unknown. However, each of these classifications are further broken down to primary and secondary causes.  For example, Natural Causes can be cancer, heart attack, etc etc.  Suicide can be from jumping, gunshot, defenestration, etc etc.  Instead of marking every death Natural Causes cancer or homicide military action, execution, gunshot, etc etc we just use the final primary causation.  The one exception are suicides which are listed as suicide by method.  Additionally a couple of times a month the ME is unable to determine which underlying factor caused a death and both contributing factors will be listed.  For example this weekend you see Lawrence Guyot on the 23rd with heart disease and diabetes listed.  Sunnydoo (talk) 03:37, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * And one other point about this that might come up. You may notice a number of people listed as "Shot" while others have tags that say "injuries from gunshot."  Another popular item like this strokes/heart attacks and complications from strokes/heart attacks.  You may say that arent they all the same?  Usually the editors on here will have shot, stroke or heart attack for people who died immediately or almost immediately from the incident.  Complications of stroke/heart attack or injuries from gunshot tags are given to people who hold on for a period of time fighting in the hospital before ultimately succumbing to the wounds.  Its a minor but important distinction.Sunnydoo (talk) 04:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation - at least for deaths under US jurisdiction - I imagine there are significant national differences eg China, Peru and Iran. I'm sure it was unintentional Sunnydoo, but I think, in referring to manner of death above you intended 'frequently occurring item,' rather than 'popular item'? Geopersona (talk) 07:04, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

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