Talk:Deaths in October 2014

Robert Serra
Is there a standard protocol for when one reliable source says a person was stabbed and another that he was shot? I've listed both, for now. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:54, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2014
john tory

72.140.248.5 (talk) 22:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Not done. Too generic of a name, unsourced, and a google search doesn't give any dying in October. —  Wylie pedia  23:09, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2014
Please add british actor Victor Winding. He passed away on October 9, 2014. He was 85. There is no obituary online yet, but his death notice was published on page 57 in The Guardian on October 18, 2014. I do not know what the Wikipedia-regulations say about printed sources.

194.69.14.187 (talk) 10:30, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:OFFLINE says they're OK, but special care should be taken. A quote or a scan would be nice. Or wait for the Internet to catch up. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:07, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: The Guardian search box results nothing to keyword 'Victor Winding' . Are you sure that 'The Guardian' published it on page no. 57 on 18 October 2014? (see also, online archive of The Guardian, 18 October 2014, page no. 57) Anupmehra  - Let's talk!  00:19, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, I read it myself yesterday! The death notice reads like this:


 * "Winding, Victor, Actor, died 9 October, peacefully at home. The Service is at midday, 24 October, Gwent Crematorium, Cwmbran   NP44 2BZ Tel. 01495 763844"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.69.14.187 (talk) 07:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


 * You have to realize that not everything in the Guardian is available online. How hard can it be to pick up the actual newspaper and read it? The death notice is under "Announcements".
 * Umm, it may be a little hard to pick up the hard copy of newspaper for someone not living in UK. I'll wait some other person who could be able to verify your claim. Anupmehra  - Let's talk!  06:14, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * There is a blog source here - but probably not good enough for us. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:30, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And also some random website. It seems that's all there will ever be regarding this. We can't exactly leave him alive forever. Stickee (talk) 01:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: It seems like this claim cannot be easily verified at the moment, but if you are able to find a reliable source that is publicly accessible, please feel free to re-post your request.  Biblio worm 00:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Nathan Cirillo and Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
I thought the point of the death list for wikipedia who are famous. Not people who are martyrs or infamous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.141.132 (talk) 06:22, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * They are blue links so they stay for now. If they do not have own article in one month then the listing will be removed. WWGB (talk) 06:59, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * There's been some talk on this page, regarding whether "notable death" covers notable people who died, people who died notably or both. Consensus seems to be split. But what WWGB says is generally agreed. No standalone article, no preservation for posterity. Good to have the recent ones, in both a newsy sort of way and to alert people to potentially notable subjects who they may have overlooked. Obituaries and death notices tend to be good sources for biographical info. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:22, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Just because one is classified as a terrorist and the other a victim doesn't automatically mean they should be listed as deaths on wiki otherwise what is stop anyone from adding every single soldier or murder regardless of fame? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.141.132 (talk) 02:25, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not because of that. It's because their deaths got significant coverage in secondary sources, and there's a Wikipedia article about them. Regardless of fame, they're all the same. But we don't disregard that. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Patrice Vincent, 53, Canadian police officer, vehicular attack.
For 21 Oct 2014:

Amend "Patrice Vincent, 53, Canadian police officer, vehicular attack." to read "Patrice Vincent, 53, Royal Canadian Air Force warrant officer, military firefighter, vehicular attack."

Sources: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/patrice-vincent-soldier-killed-in-st-jean-sur-richelieu-was-close-to-retirement-1.2810967 http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/24/patrice-vincent-veterans-quebec-soldier-killed_n_6042418.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.211.81 (talk) 01:51, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


 * . Occupation changed to "soldier". WWGB (talk) 02:05, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I just did the RCAF thing. I was wondering why it didn't say "police officer". InedibleHulk (talk) 02:08, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sources state he was in the "armed forces" not the "air force". WWGB (talk) 02:58, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * My bad. Didn't actually read it, just copied and pasted on the honour system. Sounded right, so I figured it was. Which is weird, because that's the sort of thing I've been trying to prevent at the Parliament shooting article. Not technically hypocrisy, but close. Thanks for catching it. I'll take your word that you're right. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:53, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Though, in Canada, Armed Forces means the whole military, not just the army. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:54, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


 * "Vincent worked in the Joint Personnel Support Unit at the Integrated Personnel Support Centre. Part of Veterans Affairs Canada and the Department of National Defence, the centres work to help veterans and current soldiers deal with injuries, return to the workforce and apply for benefits and services from the government."


 * I don't know what you'd call that. Warrant officer's good. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:57, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Rod Love
I have source with Love's age as 63, something not covered in the current obituary being used. User:Connormah insists he was 61, without providing a source. Rusted AutoParts 19:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * See my talk. Connormah (talk) 19:48, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I've found the CBC source and replaced the CTV source, as there was no age provided. Rusted AutoParts 19:50, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

John Holt
We have reliable sources giving 2 different death dates for John Holt, ie some sources say the 19th and others the 20th. Rusted AutoParts thinks he knows which is the reliable one but has no offered no reasoning as to why. Do we normally defer to an editor just cos he edits here a lot or do we actually go with the reliable sources? ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 18:16, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll reiterate here what i also left on your talk page: If you read the source I provided you, it clearly states his agent confirming his death at 2:40 AM London time on Sunday. Rusted AutoParts 18:19, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * first article to announce his death, dated October 19. From the text of the article itself: "“John died at 2:40 am English time. His (John’s) nephew informed of his death,” Forbes told OBSERVER ONLINE". Rusted AutoParts 18:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Rolling Stone, BBC, Metro, Huffington Post, GQ, News One, ContactMusic, The Independent, Birmingham Mail, Royal Gazette, The Boom Box, Digital Spy and The Guardian all attribute the death to October 19. All others stating 20th are magazine tabloids. Even then, some of those magazine tabloids attribute to the 19th. Daily Mail, Clash Magazine and The Daily Mirror, for example. Rusted AutoParts 19:02, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Though, let's be fair and round up who said the 20th: The Voice and Stabroek News. Rusted AutoParts 19:14, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Jack Bruce (bass/vocals, Graham Bond Org, Cream, WB&L, etc.) should be In The News .....
Bruce was a major figure in Rock/popular music and his death never made the Main Page - I think it should.98.67.183.63 (talk) 00:20, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This is not the proper place to voice this. Please see In the news/Candidates. —  Wylie pedia  12:19, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Geoffrey Holder
The choreography credit for Geoffrey Holder keeps getting removed in favor of another acting credit (namely, Annie). Two things: first, Holder was first and foremost a choreographer and dancer. In most of his obituaries, those are the first two occupations listed. Second, this was a man who had MANY occupations (actor, director, choreographer, dancer, painter, costume designer, singer), and we've already reduced the number of those occupations down to three. Why are we trying to reduce it even further, just so Annie can be listed among his credits? I think if we're going to more closely represent who Holder was on this page, we should be listing as many of his numerous talents as possible. --ThylekShran (talk) 06:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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