Talk:Deborah Scaling Kiley

Cause of death..
..unknown. The missing piece of her life story. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 15:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The mystery continues .. -- Green  C  00:03, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Son died in drowning accident August 23 2009. She died in Mexico August 13, 2012 of undisclosed causes, 10 days from the 3 year anniversary of her son's death. -- Green  C  14:39, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Peacock words
"famously survived a boating accident" is extremely poor writing. I have never heard of this person or their accident. So it is not famous, to me. Someone else may have been alive in 1982 in the part of the word where this occurred and been gripped by the events. To them, it may seem famous. The attribution is thus entirely subjective. It does not convey any useful information at all. In this case, the sentence already contains exactly what is needed to demonstrate the notability of the event, where it says "which became the subject of TV shows, books and films". "Famously", or equivalently "dramatically", "excitingly", "fortunately", "unfortunately", or any other opinion, serves absolutely no encyclopaedic purpose at all. I cannot imagine why someone would be so invested in the term that they would object to its removal. Relsekk (talk) 18:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Definition of famously: "indicating that the fact asserted is widely known". It's a useful word that can be used judicially on Wikipedia.

It is not required to say famously, but it emphasis the point of her sudden and significant media exposure, and is accurate. You seem to be confusing "fame" as some sort of puffery. Your asking me to prove she is widely known, and I have, the sources show this, to which you agreed - it's your job to prove otherwise - not based on your singular anecdotal experience of not having heard of her before, but with sources. -- Green  C  16:43, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


 * "...which became the subject of TV shows, books and films" emphasises the point of her sudden media exposure, in a clear, objective, neutral, verifiable way. "famously" does not. I'm not asking you to prove she is widely known; that is irrelevant. This is a point of good, encyclopaedic writing, in which there is absolutely no point using words which convey no information. Relsekk (talk) 20:43, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * We disagree. Just we disagree on how to spell encyclopedic. Some things are not worth disputing, they are pointlessly inflammatory. Not at all surprised to see you blocked, only had to wait. --  Green  C  02:20, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Long-term abuse/Best known for IP
This user has consistently removed the word "famously" from the article. Continued removal needs to be looked at closely. In particular from an IP in the London area, and if they edit war and have a belligerent attitude towards anyone who disagrees with them "They may also make accusations of poor English against editors with whom they are in dispute". -- Green  C  20:25, 24 January 2023 (UTC)