Talk:Debutante ball

Racism?
After reading the article on the St. Cecilia Society, I feel it is important to mention the extremely conservative, and in this case racist, nature of some societies. How representative are they? I really know nothing about all this, and feel that the article needs to clarify if these balls are often connected to such racist institutions, and if not, clarify the exceptions. It's one thing to operate on the basis on class snobbery, it's another to be outright racist. Can someone who knows more explain this in the article? Othewise if I tried to write it, I feel I might derail into a POV rant pretty quick. jugander (t) 15:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Racism is not directly relevant to Cotillion; it might with as much relevance be inserted at Daughters of the American Revolution, etc etc. --Wetman (talk) 22:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
The external links need to be made into references, moved to the External links section, or removed per WP:EL and WP:SPAM. The list needs inclusion criteria per WP:LIST. Until we can come up with some other criteria, the entries should at least have their own Wiki article. --Ronz (talk) 16:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

What About Presenting Young Girls to Society?
On the disambiguation page, this page is described as "a formal presentation of young ladies, debutantes, to polite society." but in the article itself, this aspect is never mentioned. 72.11.236.10 (talk) 15:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Cajun cotillion
I've twice reverted an addition relating cotillion practices among Americans in the Alabama-Texas areas that have Cajun traditions. I think it puts undue (WP:UNDUE) emphasis on a subset of localized American practices. The addition was completely unreferenced. To the editor who added that: please consider finding a published source for your additions and creating a page for the information. This page is already too far skewed toward American cotillion activities--it should not be expanded further in that direction. Binksternet (talk) 19:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I took a long look at this section and removed it again. It has a number of problems that I know I am unable to fix. First off, the section header said "Religious significance" but what was talked about was French/Acadian (Cajun) practices in cotillion in the parts of southern USA that have Cajun culture. The section included many details not at all related to religion. The section didn't mention other cultures that might have religious characteristics in their cotillion practices. Secondly, the section had no objectivity at all--it was a reporter who was very tied up in the process and who seemed very involved in a point of view that needed to be maintained. If an outsider were able to report on the Cajun cotillion practices then maybe we'd have some text worth keeping. On the whole, though, the section with its total immersion in Cajun cotillion threw the article out of balance with the other cultures represented. All of that information, if run through the sieve of objectivity, would be much more appropriately contained at an article devoted solely to its topic... something like Cajun cotillion. Binksternet (talk) 03:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Possibly useful links taken out:
 * New York Times. March 25, 2001. Julia Reed. Style; Cajun Cotillion
 * New York Times. February 1, 1996. Donatella Lorch. RITUALS: Families and Traditions; Quinceanera: A Girl Grows Up
 * Binksternet (talk) 03:30, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Dance form versus debutante ball
I have copied the first few paragraphs from the "History" section here over to Cotillion_(dance), which is in sad need of better content. I'm not sure why this article is the landing place for "Cotillion" instead of a disambiguation page, unless it was that there was no previous article on the dance form. The first paragraphs here might wish to be revised or cut as a result.

Feyandstrange (talk) 14:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Cotillion
A little while ago, my ballet teacher told us we were doing a ballet called Cotillion, and that we were village girls. I was a little doubtful at first, but now I'm excited! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.151.21 (talk) 23:02, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move 17 October 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 10:24, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Cotillion ball → Debutante ball – Per WP:GLOBAL, which would indeed include the "cotillion" designation and concept in the United States. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. Certainly a more generic term. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:28, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: The target has significant edit history concerning content merged to other articles which must be preserved to comply with our copyright (copyleft) requirements. I've temporarily copied it here if that helps. Andrewa (talk) 22:48, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


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