Talk:December 17–22, 2012 North American blizzard

TWC naming of winter storms
NBCU's TWC naming of winter storms is unrecognized by mainstream meteorological organizations and is only a publicity/marketing tactic. Reference to the name should be removed from the article or quantified for what it really is. Doyna Yar (talk) 04:46, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, didn't see the National Weather Service's press release on them rejecting the naming of winter storms. Sorry about that. --   LuK3      (Talk)   19:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Has this been discussed anywhere to get consensus on this? While the Weather Channel does appear to use it for marketing purposes, we also call places and events by their sponsored names and people and things by nicknames if they're sourced correctly whether or not they have any seal of official approval (for example, I doubt Aribert Heim specifically endorsed his nickname of Dr. Death, but it is notable).  The naming usage has already gotten around a bit, so the time's probably ripe for a discussion on whether to use it or under what conditions we should use it.CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 08:51, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It had been discussed briefly over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Non-tropical_storms. The thing is that the National Weather Service explicitly said that storms like this should not be named (see this Washington Post article). The only reason that news organizations are using this term is because the The Weather Channel decided to name the storms. It's not a universal term used by reliable sources. For example, news agencies had different names for the Syrian civil war, so they could not gain consensus until all reliable sources used the current name. --   LuK3      (Talk)   14:58, 26 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I am aware of this, but it doesn't really deal with our problem going forward if it catches on, even with the NWS's disapproval. Our standards are based on notability after all.  If we reach the point at where there's significant, widespread use of these monikers (as seems possible in the long run given that US News & World Report, Yahoo Finance, International Business Times, and American City Business Journals already appear to be using Draco), then not using them makes the entries less useful as an encyclopedia.  I think we have to go farther than discussing if we should be using them now and deciding on what criteria we should be possibly using them in the future. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 00:31, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It was also discussed at Articles_for_deletion/2012-13_U.S._winter_storm_season, Talk:November 2012 nor'easter, and briefly at Articles for deletion/Winter Storm Brutus. The consensus around all of the different discussions has been to not use, but only mention, the TWC's naming system. Inks.LWC (talk) 10:04, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Two different storms
It looks like two distinct systems (for lack of better IDs, what The Weather Channel is calling "Draco" and "Euclid") are getting blended into the article. Note how late the dates go now. Mapsax (talk) 12:39, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should rename the article to something more general (December 2012 North American weather activity?) so we can include both systems. --   LuK3      (Talk)   14:47, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The two systems should be two different articles. I noticed this as I came here looking to possibly create one for the current system. Inks.LWC (talk) 21:40, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've moved this blizzard and started a second page on my user page (User:Inks.LWC/December 25-28, 2012 North American blizzard). I'm heading out (ironically into the storm), but I'll be back tonight to work on it.  Feel free to work on the one in my user space though if you'd like. Inks.LWC (talk) 21:58, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Title changed to Winter storm Draco
Title changed to Winter storm Draco and the next storm is about to be changed to Winter storm Euclid.--75.139.106.179 (talk) 01:22, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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