Talk:December 2011 Jabal al-Zawiya massacres

Rename
Massacre is not proper name. It should be moved into clashes or fighting.--ChronicalUsual (talk) 11:25, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not a massacre? it is supported by sources and there is a past precedent (Hama massacre and April 1981 Hama massacre). If you suggest to rename per WP:COMMONNAME, i think let's do an official rename proposal, if there is a majority - you will be entitled to rename.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Because the word massacre is improper. Not only the death toll are only from opposition but they can't agree at all on what happenned. More important is that a battle with high number of casualties is never called a massacre. --ChronicalUsual (talk) 17:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hama massacre was a battle with comletely wild estimation range of civilian casualties (1,000-80,000) and a significant number of soldiers (~1,000) and militants (~200-500) killed. Greyshark09 (talk) 17:11, 15 February 2012 (UTC)


 * This is not relevent, there were better sources, by far a larger number of people killed. You just don't call massacre a battle where a disputed number of 400 people died, evenly split in both sides. Wikipedia is becoming more and more activists like, even taking their titles and sentences. --ChronicalUsual (talk) 17:15, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for your discontent with wikipedia, but the choice you have is to make an official rename proposal.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:26, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Greyshark, for reasons stated in his/her response. Sopher99 (talk) 18:23, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't agree with Greyshark, Hama was most probably much larger and involving far more civilians and April 1981 Hama massacre was just a slaughter of civilians. If Wissam Tarif is to be believed all but 9 casualties in this case were military personnel and defectors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.97.18.220 (talk) 00:26, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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