Talk:December to Dismember (2006)/Archive 2

Suggestions per request of comments
I suggest adding a reception section, breaking the event section into two subsections, and writing anymore aftermath based on storylines (if any).-- S R X  13:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Lead

 * I don't like this sentence that greatly: "The featured bout on the undercard was a tag team bout between The Hardys (real-life brothers Matt and Jeff) and MNM (Joey Mercury [Adam Birch] and Johnny Nitro [John Hennigan]), which was won by The Hardys." Mainly just the "which was won by The Hardys" I would suggest you change it to "which The Hardys were victorious in."
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 09:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, that sentence is not grammatically correct. It would have to be "in which The Hardys were victorious." Prepositions can't end a sentence. Nikki  311  18:51, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Background

 * From what I've been told by a few, Episode is wrong, it should be Edition. So "on the October 31, 2006 episode of ECW." should be "on the October 31, 2006 edition of ECW."
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 09:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Reword "As a part of the storyline, the final place was to be given to Hardcore Holly on the November 14, 2006 edition of ECW and he was scheduled to sign a contract in the ring." (it is 5am here and I can't think straight to give a good idea for a change.)
 * I've reworded it to: "As a part of the storyline, the final place was to be given to Hardcore Holly in a contract signing segment on the November 14, 2006 edition of ECW." - D.M.N. (talk) 09:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

The background seems find, it sounds good to me. I'll come back later and give my ideas for the event, but right now I'm going to bed.-- Will C  09:01, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I appreciate it. D.M.N. (talk) 09:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Event

 * Change "a non-televised match at a televised show used to warm up the crowd." (Some people might not understand what "warm up the crowd" means.) I would suggest changing it it to "a non-televised match at a televised show used to hype the crowd up for the event."
 * I've changed it to: "a non-televised match used to hype the crowd up for the event." - D.M.N. (talk) 21:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Ariel and Thorn attacked Kelly Kelly after the match, but The Sandman (Jim Fullington) appeared and hit Thorn repeatedly with a Shinai." Take it out of universe. I'm guess it was a scripted attack so something like "Following the match, Ariel and Thorn were scripted to attack Kelly Kelly, however, The Sandman interrupted and hit Thorn repeatedly with a Shinai." Something like that.
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 21:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Everything else seems fine to me. It reads very well. I say it is an FA but I've never go one to FA so I'm not sure what that is. I didn't find any problems in the Aftermath or the Reception.-- Will C  19:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Nikki's comments
Sorry it took so long. I've been planning to comment, but had a million things to do first. Here we go: I'll do the other half later. Nikki 311  19:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "with 55,000 of them domestic buys–the lowest buyrate in WWE history." - Emdashes are supposed to go in text --> "with 55,000 of them domestic buys—the lowest buyrate in WWE history."
 * Done in that example in other places where it's like that too. D.M.N. (talk) 07:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In my understanding, low resolution = 100,000 pixels or less. If this is the case, Image:ECWdectodismember2006.jpg is not low resolution.
 * I've not seen any guideline that says that. D.M.N. (talk) 07:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "as WWE concentrated more on the Survivor Series pay-per-view that had aired one week earlier." - this makes it sound like SS aired one week before the buildup started, instead of one week before D2D --> "as WWE concentrated more on the Survivor Series pay-per-view that aired one week prior to December to Dismember."
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 07:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "decision was taken to include" - sounds funny --> "decision was made to include"
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 07:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "defeating The Big Show in a Ladder match on the October 24, 2006 edition of ECW, a match where an item (usually a title belt) is hung above the ring, and the winner is the contestant who climbs a ladder and retrieves the item." --> "defeating The Big Show in a Ladder match, a match where the contestant that climbs a latter and retrieves an item (usually a title belt) hung above the ring is the winner, on the October 24, 2006 edition of ECW."
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 07:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "in a 5-on-5 elimination tag team match at the Survivor Series event; a variation of a normal tag team match except that a wrestler who suffers a loss is eliminated from participation." --> "in a 5-on-5 elimination tag team match, a variation of a normal tag team match except that a wrestler who suffers a loss is eliminated from participation, at the Survivor Series event."
 * I've changed it to your version, but I've split it into 2 sentences as that sentence was getting incredibly long. I've changed it to: "in a 5-on-5 elimination tag team match. The match, a variation of a normal tag team match except that a wrestler who suffers a loss is eliminated from participation, took place at the Survivor Series event." D.M.N. (talk) 07:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "The feud began with Nitro and Jeff engaging in their own feud over the Intercontinental Championship on Raw." - sounds weird to say "feud" twice --> "The buildup began when Nitro and Jeff began to feud over the Intercontinental Championship on Raw."
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 07:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "in a dark match, a non-televised match at a televised show used to warm up the crowd." --> "in a dark match, a non-televised match used to warm up the crowd."
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 07:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. D.M.N. (talk) 07:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Finishing up

 * "Jeff then performed a high-angle senton bomb and pinned Nitro," - since this move is explained later in the sentence, I think it is safe to call it a Swanton Bomb
 * Done; changed to "Jeff then performed a Swanton bomb and pinned Nitro," D.M.N. (talk) 21:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Next was Matt Striker versus Balls Mahoney in a "Striker's Rules" match, a match that was contested under Striker's rules; which according to Striker, meant "No gouging of the eyes, no pulling of the hair, no maneuvers off the top rope and, most importantly, no foul language". - wordy --> Next was Matt Striker versus Balls Mahoney in a "Striker's Rules" match, a match with "no gouging of the eyes, no pulling of the hair, no maneuvers off the top rope and, most importantly, no foul language".
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 21:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Van Dam was the third person eliminated by Test, as he stood on The Big Show's pod and performed a diving elbow drop, a move which is executed by diving onto a prone opponent with the wrestler's elbow cocked, driving the elbow into the opponent's chest, onto a folding chair." - wordy --> "Van Dam was the third person eliminated by Test, as he stood on The Big Show's pod and dove toward Van Dam, driving his elbow into his chest onto a folding chair, a move known as a diving elbow drop."
 * Changed. D.M.N. (talk) 21:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

The rest looks good. The only major problem I have is the excessively long explanations of the moves. For example, "Burke pinned Mamaluke after performing an Forward Russian legsweep on him, a move where the attacking wrestler stands side-to-side and slightly behind an opponent (facing in the same direction) before reaching behind the opponent's back to hook the opponent's head with his/her other hand extending the opponent's near arm, then while hooking the opponent's leg with his/her own leg the wrestler falls forward, pushing the opponent forward to the mat face-first." Since the link gives the explanation of the move in detail, the explanation in the article doesn't have to be nearly as long. I think it would be much better as: "Burke pinned Mamaluke after pushing him into the mat face-first by performing a Forward Russian legsweep on him." Or something to that effect. The reader still gets the idea of what is happening, and the sentence isn't so long. These excessive sentences occur several times in the article. I'd change them all. Nikki 311  20:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Changed. I do agree with you on those points. Do you think the following one should get reworded: "Khali came back out after the match had ended and hit Dreamer with a chokebomb onto the stage, a move where the wrestler first grasps an opponent's neck with both hands, then lifts them up and choking them before then throwing the opponent back down to the mat." - D.M.N. (talk) 21:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What about: "Khali came back out after the match had ended and grabbed Dreamer by the neck, lifted him up and threw him to the mat—a move known as a chokebomb." Nikki  311  23:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds good. I've changed it to that. =) D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

NiciVampireHeart's comments
This will not be excessively detailed. I simply don't have time. I hope this helps though, and I apologise for the delay.
 * Lead
 * "The event card featured"..."It featured wrestlers" - you use featured twice in two sentence. Try and mix it up a little to avoid repetiveness.
 * I've reworded the first line too: "The main attraction on the event card was an Extreme Elimination Chamber match for the ECW World Championship." - is that OK? D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Including its scripted buildup, the event had an attendance of 4,800" - are you suggesting that the attendance number was part of the buildup? That really doesn't make sense.
 * You're right. I'm tempted to simply remove "Including its scripted buildup,", but I dunno. D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Background
 * "climbs a latter" - should be "ladder.
 * Fixed. D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "After winning an opportunity at the ECW World Championship by defeating The Big Show in a Ladder match, a match where the contestant that climbs a latter and retrieves an item (usually a title belt) hung above the ring is the winner, on the October 24, 2006 edition of ECW" - you don't say who won the title shot. In the next sentence you talk about RVD, but was it him who won the match? It's explicity stated, and is confusing.
 * Reworded it to: "On the October 24, 2006 edition of ECW, Rob Van Dam won an opportunity at the ECW World Championship by defeating The Big Show in a Ladder match, a match where the contestant that climbs a ladder and retrieves an item (usually a title belt) hung above the ring is the winner." - Is that better? D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't give "Danny Basham"'s real name, i.e. Daniel Hollie.
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Preliminary matches
 * "During a pinfall attempt, Matt interrupted it" - doesn't need the it --> "During a pinfall attempt, Matt interrupted"
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Main event match
 * "In a conversation with The Big Show before he made his way to the ring, he revealed that for the first-time in his professional career he was not motivated to give the promo." - did Heyman reveal this in that conversation, or later on? The sentence reads a little strange to me. Also, change the first "he" to Heyman, just to make it clear who you are talking about.
 * I've reworded it to "In a conversation backstage with The Big Show before heading to the ring not seen by television viewers, Heyman revealed that for the first-time in his professional career he was not motivated to give the promo." - hopefully this makes it more clearer that this was Heyman's legit feeling. D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Aftermath
 * "edition of ECW" - ECW should be italicised, to kepp consistency with the "Background" section.
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "which Show lost thus ending" - should have a comma after lost --> "which Show lost, thus ending"
 * Done. D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Results
 * Under the stipulation heading, you have both "Standard match" and "Singles match". Choose one and be consistent.
 * Fixed. D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm done. Apart from that it looks good. Nice job, and apologies again for the dela. ;) ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 05:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. D.M.N. (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

200th PPV
Starting with the Wrestling Classic I think this is the 200th PPV (including UK only PPVs) should that be mentioned? Darrenhusted (talk) 10:16, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That would probably be classed as trivia TBH. Also, I'd need a source to back up the claim. D.M.N. (talk) 11:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)