Talk:Dee Bliss

Return
it was told on August 21 2009 that Dee Bliss will return in late 2010 or 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.133.87.22 (talk) 13:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What's your source? This rumour crops up every so often, and unless it can be sourced, it should be removed. If someone wants to add this information, then it MUST be sourced.--HillbillyProfane (talk) 00:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed merger with List of Neighbours characters (2017)
I propose that the section on Andrea Somers be merged to this article. I have made this change under WP:BRD earlier, which was reverted: see diffs for this page and Andrea Somers for details of how this would look. There are multiple reasons why I believe this to be appropriate: In summary, keeping these articles separate is of clear hindrance to their effectiveness for providing encyclopaedic information. This is a rather unique situation, so I don't think there's any issue with giving it a unique solution. Any thoughts? U-Mos (talk) 02:00, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) The current major storyline West is involved in is deliberately not informing viewers which character she is playing. It is therefore a direct and blatant WP:OR violation to include details on either article if they remain separate.
 * 2) Significant critical attention on the 'Dee or Andrea' narrative - a two minute search alone produces    in the last couple of weeks, and that's from only a single publication source. On top of the OR situation, Andrea as an individual character does not warrant a full article anyway - but Dee's article as is stops in 2003 so has no place for these commentaries. And it's critical citations we should be aiming for, not just story synopses.
 * 3) Andrea is inextricably linked to Dee. Upon entering the series, West was reported to be playing her previous character, and thus all information on that from late 2016/early 2017 is (correctly) found here. Having all information following the reveal of Andrea as a separate character in-narrative creates an illogical disjunction, and again prevents the information on the 2017-18 storylines from reaching their encyclopaedic potential by being divorced from Dee's storylines, casting etc. This is compounded by the current secrecy over the character West is playing.
 * I oppose this merge. Yes, West is not credited as any character at the moment, however, IF it is confirmed that she was playing Dee Bliss for the uncredited stint then the article will be updated accordingly and the same will done IF it is confirmed she was playing Andrea for the uncredited stint at the Andrea Somers list entry. IF it is confirmed that West was playing Dee all along, then I would say that would be the moment that the entry will be merged with this article. But for now, they are different characters so it should stay as it is. — Hatio93 Talk 06:30, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Hatio93. — ᴀnemone  ᴘroᴊecтors  08:44, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The issue is that even after we discover who West is currently playing, problems will remain. Regardless of the resolution to the storyline (after all, these ambiguous episodes - and indeed the ones from early 2017 - will always exist regardless of any context attached to them subsequently), its entirety is highly relevant to the Dee article - where it's currently only mentioned in passing. There are already significant holes in the coverage, which would seem to be down to there being nowhere obvious to place the new information. Linking to a section of list article for further information seems illogical, as that section will always be less comprehensive than a full article (which has reception and production-focused sections). Clearly a full Andrea Somers article is not required, so the straightforward solution is to merge. Then all the good stuff around the current storyline can be used, as part of the larger whole of 'Dee Bliss'. U-Mos (talk) 12:02, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose I agree with Hatio93.--5 albert square (talk) 12:50, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm going to oppose per the points made by Hatio93 here and the comments made at Talk:List of Neighbours characters (2017) by . Soaper1234 - talk  17:36, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose - We do not currently know who West is playing. It has been reported that she played two separate characters previously. Going off those we can create two different characters. A list entry for Andrea and maintain this article. Information from both will be relevant to each other. But merging will create an issue that it will all become just a little too confusing. I would not personally update either until we know who West is playing. However, if it is later revealed that Andrea and Dee were always the same then of course it would need rectifying. Rain  the 1  19:22, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support as per reasons U-Mos has made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.212.178 (talk) 19:53, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

In response to JuneGloom at Talk:List of Neighbours characters (2017): strongly disagree that we can state that West is playing Andrea currently, regardless of whether merged or not - what the characters of Toadie and Sonya believe within the show is wholly irrelevant, and while there may be some uses of "Andrea" in terms of synopses the press and production are abundantly clear that the identity of the character is unknown. Also, while anything is possible in soapland, it's pretty improbable that the result of the story will be that Andrea was always Dee, even in 2017 - so the confusion/repeated info described above will remain under the current article/section structure.

Raintheone: Have you looked at the diffs linked above? I honestly believe that they are far less confusing than the current state, especially if someone has no prior knowledge on reading, as the framework proposes allows the coverage and press releases to appear together rather than with arbitrary lines drawn between what is Dee and what is Andrea (which divides info on the 2017 storyline between two pages as is, and leaves us straying into OR for current matters). Anyway, apologies for the circumlocution - turns out this issue was harder to describe than I anticipated - I've stated my case, so I'll now respectfully step back and allow the discussion to continue. Keep in mind though the need to prioritise MOS:REALWORLD in our presentation, not fictional identities. U-Mos (talk) 20:46, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Shortly before I logged off for the night yesterday, I did actually start a discussion at Talk:List of Neighbours characters (2017), but in my haste I forgot to notify anyone, so apologies for that. My plans to edit and discuss this issue today were curtailed by a persistent headache, but I think others have said most of what I was thinking and I also oppose this merge. - JuneGloom07 Talk  02:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose It is worth noting that confused readers logging on to Dee's page would read the "Return" section, and have access to the 2017 information as it was released to the public. The Dee article clearly outlines the introduction of Andrea, and any further combining of the two should probably wait until we have more clarification. SatDis (talk) 03:16, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Botched exit
I haven't managed to find any info on this, but just in case anyone else has - is there any reporting on West obviously having had to leave filming sooner than intended this year? What a sadly ignoble end... U-Mos (talk) 09:56, 4 July 2020 (UTC)