Talk:Deep-submergence vehicle/Archive 1

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''Bathyscaphs are not submarines, in that they have lower mobility, and are built like a balloon, using a liquid hydrocarbon float.

Alvin, seconded to NOAA Woods Hole National Oceanographic Center, is to be replaced with a super Alvin class of DSVs, approaching the depth capabilities of the Trieste class vessels, but with enhanced mobility, and with more manipulation tools as compared to the Alvin class

This whole quote assumes a knowledge of DSV's. Things need to be explained better. An explanation of what a bathyscaphe is, and why one would think it is a submarine would help, rather than a statement that it isn't a submarine. What is Alvin? and what is it's depth capability? What is a Trieste class vessel? Please do not assume that people know what you are talking about, if they did, then they wouldn't come here to look!!!--Alun 07:38, 24 May 2005 (UTC) Doesn't the Royal Navy hase some sort of DSV for sub rescues? 145.253.108.22 12:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * In particular the relation between Deep Submergence Vehicle and bathyscaphe is not clear: the same, different, or the second a subclass of the first.--Patrick 09:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Add Graphic
I have a declared COI on a related subject. This graphic seems like it would be a nice addition to this page. I suggest to add the following to the end of the Deepest explorers section:



Thanks, Naadobea1776 (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅  Orville1974 talk 17:03, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Naadobea1776 (talk) 21:39, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Updated Graphic Submission
Two new pieces of information have required an update to the chart showing historical submersibles, their maximum depths, and activity status. The Chinese deployed their new three-person submersible into Challenger Deep in November 2020. It is now shown on the chart. Also, Guiness World Records certified a new maximum depth reached by the Limiting Factor on June 26, 2020 of 10,934 meters. See: https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/hall-of-fame/victor-vescovo-deepest-dive-by-a-crewed-vessel. THe new graphic is located at: File:World Deep Submergence Vehicles as of December 2020-1.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vlvescovo (talk • contribs) 23:18, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Better way to say "DSV/DSRV"
WP's Manual of Style forbids slash constructs like "DSV/DSRV", but I'm not sure which is the best replacement: My preference is the second option, but I worry that some people may not realize that it means both vehicle types since there is a separate article for DSRVs.--Kitsunegami (talk) 06:50, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "DS(R)V" – Would that even be allowed? The MoS isn't always the easiest thing to search.
 * "DSV" – letting it represent both.
 * "DSV or DSRV" or "DSV and DSRV", as needed – a bit long for my taste, so this is my last resort option.
 * Something I haven't thought of.

The R in DSRV stands for rescue. The DSRVs, Mystic, DSRV-1, and Avalon, DSRV-2, are deep submergence vehicles specifically built to rescue crews from stranded submarines. mjv — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.111.213 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This is correct, and DSRVs are therefore a subclass of DSVs. Use DSV if not a rescue vehicle and DSRV if a rescue vehivcle. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 06:12, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

submersible capable to 14km
The completion of an independent submersible vehicle (ANPA) was reported a few days ago. It is reported to be able to dive to 14km. Modification to accommodate people is said to be possible.  Freshchips (talk) 03:36, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I'll put something in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freshchips (talk • contribs) 03:57, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

I removed all references to the ANPA. I couldn't find any other serious sources to even confirm that such an object exists at all, and in any case it's described as being an unmanned vehicle, which makes it an ROV (not a DSV) so it doesn't belong here anyway. Also, a dive to 14000 m would be an amazing accomplishment to say the least! -- bornLoser (talk) 02:15, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, as that is deeper than any known part of the sea. It would be quite a trick. It is probably the test depth/test pressure in kmsw (kilometres of sea water), which would be quite appropriate. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 06:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Limiting Factor
Should Limiting Factor get its own article? It feels like it came out of nowhere compared to all of the hype around Deepsea Challenger, so it would be good to actually have information about it for reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.107.189 (talk) 15:40, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, it probably should get its own article. It seems to meet GNG. -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 08:30, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It has one now at DSV Limiting Factor. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 06:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Link to external website
It seems odd that the link for the DSV limiting factor links to external commercial site(altough proper one) instead of wikipedia to learn more about it. Does not seem fitting. 2001:14BB:67B:2B58:0:0:524:5501 (talk) 06:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Which link is that? There is now a Wikipedia article, but an external link in the proper section may also be appropriate. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 06:21, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Subsection formatting
I have reformatted subsection ===Limiting Factor=== to make use of the MOS compliant hatnote template Main, instead of deprecated wikitext definition list coding. I suggest converting the rest of the article accordingly. Please comment. If there is no objection I will make the changes when I get around to it, if no-one else does it first. Cheers· · · Peter Southwood (talk): 06:29, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Update for Deepsea Challenger
Shouldn't this article be updated to include information on the recent Deepsea Challenger dive to Challenger Deep? Harachel22 (talk) 00:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This has been done. &middot; &middot; &middot; Peter Southwood (talk): 14:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

How deep?
What depth must a submersible be capable of diving to be designated as DSV? · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 19:35, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

DSVs and bathyscaphes
What is the relation between DSVs and bathyscaphes? Is one a subset of the other? Nurg (talk) 23:04, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite an expert, but I would say that a bathyscaphe is a type of DSV (and therefore a subset). —scs (talk) 12:21, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Titan?
Does Titan (submersible) belong in the list on this page? (I honestly don't know.) —scs (talk) 12:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Scs it is part of picture "Historical deep-submergence vehicles" under "in testing". I guess no more testing will be done on it. 85.219.170.164 (talk) 14:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)