Talk:Deep-throating

Materials removed
Removed quationable statements from the article:

It feels so damn good too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.157.90.114 (talk) 17:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * ''It also helps -- as the erect penis head is swallowed -- to contract different throat and mouth muscle groups to massage for more pleasure. This can be tricky, but as long as you don't completely barf, he will enjoy!

Cite please?


 * ''It may help with the swallowing of semen, but the quantity of semen may, at times, triple in volume.

Cite please?

-- The Anome 01:43, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I removed the statement
 * Because most women do not have the ability to take large penises into their throats...

I find this statement very questionable and require medical verification if it is to be kept. "Many women have difficulty learning" would be acceptable to me (though I have no verification even of that) but it is a skill that I find most women can learn. --Interesdom 07:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Training the Gag reflex is alot easier than avoiding it, I have done this and know it to be true. First a few things you need to understand,the fear of gagging, the fear of not being able to breath, its a panic feeling and your natural instincts are to get away immediatly.

Dont fear this, its all in your mind. to start training your gag reflex as the penis or dildo starts to make you gag STOP! do not go any further down or back out, wait for the feeling to end, then slowly try to proceed. repeat as necessary. (similar to when a person first uses contact lenses, after awhile you stop blinking when trying to put it in) CynicalAngel

Statement removed
Removed statement that It is usually helpful to have a willing ... partner &mdash; perhaps "legal" would have been a better word than "helpful". Vashti 16:49, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

eh
The 'examples' appears to be collection of semi-related porn. Seems like it should be deleted IMO.

I agree, it's not really informational, but more pornographic prose.

Again, this last site does not link to examples! It links to an adulot porn site, and this site changes daily. I'm all for oral action, but this is not the correct "example".

STILL NOT A LINK TO 'EXAMPLES'!!!!!! Link to a porn site. Grow up people....oy

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"Removed 'in pornography' link, which, though it did go to a deepthroat pornography site, it is prudent to remove this link, as the site is degrading and buggy.)"

I just removed the "In pornography link". I would like to further add and note the degrading manner in treatment and attitude towards women of the aforementioned offsite 'examples'. Stuff like - "bitches sucking it all the way dooowwn" and, this is a direct qoute - "By the time we were done with her, she had a nut mustache and was taking cumshots in her eyes!!!".

I hope I'm not overdoing this, but short and sweet, it was a link to a pornography paysite, and I'm sure with the already available description, we don't need that link there. RatherBeBiking 00:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Update - It seems that an unregistered user has reverted the change I made to the article because the material was found to be "relevant", despite my arguement on the talk page. I will not touch the article agian because I think it is safe to assume that this unregistered user serves only the purpose of keeping that link there, considering that it the single edit that user has made (64.32.94.105). There seems to be a general consensus here on the talk page to keep the 'examples' link out of the article, but maybe we should bring this to the next level? Anyone? RatherBeBiking 07:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

COPYRIGHT
The greater majority of this article is copied word for word from this site : http://www.deepthroatexpert.com/ Such content is copyright protected.

Agreed, 98% of it is just a copy and paste job that needs to be removed.

I agree too. That material is below rather than in the article. Why doesn't somebody take the following text as a starting point? Techniques Since an average erect penis is longer than an average mouth depth, deep throating requires suppressing the gag reflex in order to partially swallow the end of the penis. In order to perform this form of fellatio, the sexual partner performing deep throat controls all the muscles at the back of the throat and flattens the tongue, while gradually inserting the erect penis completely.

In one variation of the technique, the fellatee will take an "upright" position, in which the fellator kneels in front of or otherwise faces the front of the partner to be fellated.

In another variation of the technique, the fellator lies face up on a bed, with his or her head hanging over the edge. For some fellators, this ensures that the throat and mouth line up, aiding penetration, and can also give the fellatee additional control over the act, which may be desirable if the couple is experimenting with domination and submission play.

Because mouth and throat structure (as well as penis shape) vary from person to person, different persons will prefer different techniques and positions, and some experimentation may be necessary.

Advantages Deep throating may facilitate swallowing of the semen, as the ejaculate may bypass most of the tongue and tastebuds, depending on the depth of penetration at the time of release. If the penis is held completely inside the mouth and throat as the man ejaculates, the semen may be released into the esophagus without the fellator having to swallow.

Additionally, many men enjoy the sensations and psychological effects associated with the act. Similarly, many women and men enjoy incorporating it into their sexual repertoires, particularly as a variation on other forms of fellatio. It may be difficult for some persons to learn, however, due to the requirement of suppressing the natural gag reflex.
 * I noticed this as well, but I more or less just stumbled across the article. No one has as yet undertaken the task of at the very least rewording the article, so if no one has removed the plagarised sections in a few days I will try and make the time to rewrite it. --CokeBear 14:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed this as well, but I more or less just stumbled across the article. No one has as yet undertaken the task of at the very least rewording the article, so if no one has removed the plagarised sections in a few days I will try and make the time to rewrite it. --CokeBear 14:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed this as well, but I more or less just stumbled across the article. No one has as yet undertaken the task of at the very least rewording the article, so if no one has removed the plagarised sections in a few days I will try and make the time to rewrite it. --CokeBear 14:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Are you sure that it is not the Wikipedia article that has been copied? http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=deepthroatexpert&tld=com seems to show that the domain has only existed since april 2006, does the wikipedia text outdate this? --Paulhurst 14:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * also seems to be a copy of http://www2.freedomacres.com/library/deepthroathow2.html so maybe  the site has collated information --[[User:Paulhurst|Paulhurst] 14:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

purportedly?
Cynthia Heimel can claim that the film was done by mirrors. But since the film there is plenty of other video evidence and individual experience to show the act is real and practised. Have removed the word "Purportedly" accordingly. Publicgirluk 06:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

image
The image could be better, and it suggests, but does not show anything specific. We should get feedback from many people, not just have one person decide. In the mean time, let's look for a better image. Atom 03:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

What do you think of one of these?

Atom 03:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


 * First, none of those images show the act described, and I can assure you from editing previous sex-related articles that this image is not useful and will be removed. I'll go get some other editors if you want. Jokestress 03:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I edit "numerous" sex-related articles, and yet have the opinion I do that mediocre image is better than none. As for your comment, it seems to me that the two in the right are clearly deep throat.  Just because it is not the "ideal" picture, doesn't mean that it does not show visually what the article discusses.  As I say below I am always willing to give in to consensus, but it seems it has been your one opinion against two others, so far.  Regards, Atom 04:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

user:Jokestress You seem to feel quite strongly about it. You are a more experienced editor than myself, and your opinion is important to me. However, I am frustrated that you have reverted several times without trying to work out a solution instead. I've suggested several other possibilities. To me, a lead image is important to give a visual idea of what is going on for visually inclined people. Even an image like the one we are currently talking about is better than no image. I've offered three other possibilities, of which the middle one comes the closest to being a good "fit". At the moment, it would seem that it is you against, and two people (the person who put the image in originally)and myself for. Let me know what you think, and more importantly, lets get feedback from a few others. I'm always willing to bend to consensus, or a more experienced wikipedian. Atom 04:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Just left a comment on your talk page. Let me know how you'd like to proceed. I can get a buncha folks over to weigh in if you wish. The problem with the image is that the recipient could be doing anything in the image you propose. If you can find a non-copyright image of someone deep throating, we can discuss the merits of that image, but sexually explicit images typically get removed unless they are considered critical to understanding the article. Jokestress 04:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the second image shown above is probably as good as we are likely to get. I prefer an illustration over a photo when it comes to explicit acts. I'm fine with waiting to find a better image if that one is not acceptable to others.

In general I like all articles to have some visual to set the tone, to spark understanding without many words. If, as you say, there are unwritten policies, or policies in the works regarding explicit images, then we might as well wait. I can post to the administrators' noticeboard asking for a clear policy. I have been editing based on the policy that wikipedia does not censor. If there really is some form of censorship, then a policy defining that more clearly would be helpful. My guess is that the wikipedia lawyer does not want to give "official" policy to leave options open later. Also, my guess is that wikipedia may not want any censorship, but also recognizes the prudent necessity to not damage the future of wikipedia by inciting some kind of negative reaction and response externally. Anyway, more clear guidelines would be nice. Atom 04:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree, yes. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 09:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Section on Risks
I think a section on risks involved in this technique should also be given. From my experience as a CSW, I know that only a very skilled person can suppress the gag reflex and perform this technique. Inexperienced persons are likely to hurt both parties involved. I am posting this considering the average age of wikipedia editors. Most of the senior administrators and bureaucrats belong to the vulnerable age group. I know that wikipedia is not legally responsible, but I feel we would definitely be morally responsible. I definitely don’t want to see newspaper articles blaming wikipedia for any kind of accidents. We can even think of a warning template; like the spoiler warning template.  Dakshayani  തമ്പുരാട്ടി   04:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, seriously, should we just put a disclaimer on every page? To be honest, this seems to be a ridiculous statement. Any "risks" involved would be fairly obvious, and putting a warning here would be like putting a warning on a curling iron saying "Do not insert in any bodily orifice" or putting "External Use Only" on a softball. It also does not take "only a very skilled person" to perform the act, and in fact to learn to perform it you have to do it. Practice makes perfect. And which kind of CSW are you referring to, a social worker or... something else? If it is something else, it starts to sound like an Electrician telling you that you should always call an Electrician to change a lightbulb "for your own protection". And what exactly is the "vulnerable age group"? Wow. "Suspected sock puppet" or no, this is just a weird statement all around.--CokeBear 14:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing his point was that this is a typical case of "start low, go slow" or pre-lawsuit-age Common Sense(tm), and that some people have dysfunctional self-preservation mechanisms (whether they never had any, or merely became reliant on ubiquitous warning labels). Your comment brings to mind a particular circular saw whose warning label was "do not attempt to stop the circular saw with hands or genitalia". While there are medical conditions that can make DT a risky proposal (STDs, nasal constrictions, jaw joint issues, epiglottis abnormalities, etc.), any specific information should be put in a seperate section.
 * As you said, for a healthy person, body control and training/desensitization, while being careful, is all that is needed. And I really don't think there are any "naturally skilled" people in this regard. Just for fun, I tried inserting a similarly sized/shaped object just now, and while it was mildly uncomfortable, that's all. Of course, I have an aversion to vomiting, and the supression of that over the years may confer some additional benefits with regards to gag reflex control, so YMMV. There really wasn't any triggering of it, though, except when in pressing on the uvula or epiglottis.
 * The epiglottis is generally not pressed on by deep throating, so the real trigger is probably a combination of the psychological component (which may be remediated with set&setting, agreed-upon non-verbal communication, arousal, etc.) and contact with the uvula. Most practicioners I've talked to have expressed that they learn to supress the gag reflex, although some have stated that the uvula becomes desensitized. Zuiram 19:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Based on extensive original research, I would guess that a major risk might be the irritation of the throat (resulting in a sore throat afterwards), which could increase the risk of infection. If that is an issue, it should be easily found in the literature and referenced here. Peter Chastain   [¡hablá!]  23:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

CSW == C... Sex Worker? Or something? To know the editor's specific field of expertise would be useful  Smokey TheCat  14:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think CSW stands for clinical social worker. Peter Chastain   [¡hablá!]  23:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

I think a section on risks would be most appropriate, independent of wikipedia's editors age or lack of liability - that's why I came to this page in the first place! Ludicr0us0sity (talk) 05:19, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

gay deepthroat
the article doesnt seem to mention that men can deepthroat men too== Exclusion of a gay perspective on deep throating would be denying this entry a whole other and necessary facet... I have tried doing this, using more "theirs" "his or hers" "she or hes" "receptive partner" "performer" "fellator" and "deepthroater" not done yetCholgatalK! 05:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, it needs a rewrite to more gender-neutral language WilyD 16:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. In general, more gender neutrality would help, including in relation to the images. At the moment the overall tone (images and text) make for an unbalanced and unencyclopedic article.--  TyrS  chatties  08:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree, and am attempting to change the introductory paragraph to reflect this Ludicr0us0sity (talk) 05:11, 14 August 2013 (UTC)ludicr0us0sity
 * To this end, what makes female porn stars who can perform this act more notable than male porn stars who can? Quite frankly it is generally uncommon for a gay pornographic film to NOT have the male actors deep throat one another. CouplandForever (talk) 09:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Removal of image
I removed the image in accordance with the guideline Profanity. In particular:


 * "Words and images that would be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate..."

The article seemed just as "informative, relevant and accurate" without it, so I judged the image suitable for removal. It's likely to be deleted shortly for uncertain copyright status anyway. --Rrburke(talk) 19:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Pornography
It says right up in the title that this is an article about a sexual act, yet the bulk of the article seems to focus on its use in pornographic film. is there a reason for this? -MBlume 03:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Article
I've moved the majority of the material in this article to Deep throat in pornographic film, a new article. This is because I noticed that this material did not seem to be about deep throat as practiced by individuals concerned only with their own pleasure (as the article title implies) but as practiced by performers in pornographic films. If anyone thinks I was wrong to make this move, I would be glad to discuss the matter. -MBlume (talk) 08:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

external images
the over the edge of the bed image is very useful and informativeChuletadechancho (talk) 07:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Artist?
the use of the word 'artists' multiple times in this article made me chuckle... it's not exactly like you go to see pictures of deepthroating in galleries. 67.86.126.40 (talk) 22:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

gagging
gagging should be added, given an extra section. the differnece is that a woman which is deepthroating HAS the ability to take it in completely, while a woman that gags, or, as in most cases, is gagged, has still her full reflex, you know, i think there is even a whole part of porn films concentrating on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.243.245 (talk) 18:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Image
Image cropped for encyclopedic tone. Gender of person performing act is an irrelevant, distracting detail that sacrifices objective, neutral presentation of the material. (Remember, this is an encyclopedia.)--  TyrS  chatties  04:44, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * How does it distract the reader, sacrifice the objective, and not neutral? Changing it to fit you preference is not neutral. The original should be the one present. Valknuter (talk) 04:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Valknuter, re. | your edit summary: "...If you get rid of important details while removing unnecessary..." please specify what you mean by "important details".  TyrS  chatties  07:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * See also section 8 above, where article's imbalances were also pointed out by others.--  TyrS  chatties  08:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Extensive how-to advice in article
In accordance with WP:NOTHOW AND WP:NOTADVOCATE, the extensive material on "Technique" needs to be removed.  TyrS  chatties  22:21, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm moving the following here for now, since perhaps someone might want to move it to Wikibooks or Wikiversity, where it might more properly belong. (p.s. please also note that the frequent repetition of "female partner" is irrelevant and unnecessary to the topic, and should be removed, unless the article is titled "heterosexual deep-throating").  TyrS  chatties  22:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Technique
The technique of deep-throating involves taking a deep breath and slowly sliding the penis into the mouth, moving it along the tongue. Breathing, or remembering to breathe, as opposed to gagging, is important for deep-throating. When the receiving partner feels the urge to gag, she pauses and holds the penis as long as possible, and then repeats the process. With practice, she can take the penis deeper into the mouth. When the glans penis begins to enter the throat, the tongue is used to overcome resistance and to pull the penis deeper into the mouth. When the receiving partner feels the urge to gag, she pauses for a while, then extends her tongue outwards; then she pull her tongue back into her mouth. When the tongue is pulled back into mouth, the penis is also pulled deep into the mouth along with the tongue.

Those who have mastery over deep-throating also perform "throat massage" by making swallowing motions when the penis is in the throat.

The pleasure of the recipient of deep-throating can be intensified by licking his scrotum while performing deep throat. The male partner can also ejaculate with his penis deep inside the mouth of the female partner. In this process, the female partner cannot taste the ejaculate because the glans remains behind the taste buds.

Suppressing gag reflex
It is required to learn the techniques of suppressing the pharyngeal reflex or gag reflex, a reflex contraction of the back of the throat, evoked by touching the soft palate. There are two techniques to reduce or eliminate the gag reflex: short-term desensitization, and oral sex lubricant.

A quick way to suppress the gag reflex is the use of sprays that numb the back of the throat such as the "Comfortably Numb Deep Throat Spray" which is available in different flavors. Gag reflex can be reduced by using an edible personal lubricant. An erect penis, if well-lubricated, slides along the tongue and into the throat much easier than a non-lubricated penis. Since some of the lubricant may be swallowed, it is important that the lubricant should be safe to swallow. Water-based lubricants available in multiple flavors are safe to swallow and can be used for deep-throating. Silicon-based lubricants and "stimulating" lubricants are not safe for oral sex.

Sex positions
Positioning is very important for performing deep throat. For deep-throating, the angle of the mouth and throat should be widened in a straight line. For this reason, "over-the-edge" is the most common position for deep-throating. It this position, the female partner lies on her back with the head hanging off the edge of the bed and the male partner stands or kneels in front of the female partner, with his penis at the female partner's mouth level. Another position used for deep-throating involves the female partner sitting on the male partner's chest, with his feet or shaft in front of her. The 69 position can also be opted for deep-throating.

Misconception
There is a popular misconception that it is important to relax the muscles of the throat for this oral sex. Victoria Zdrok in her book The Anatomy of Pleasure said, instead of relaxing the throat muscles, it is important to forcing the back of the tongue down for the purpose of creating a larger opening for the penis to enter deep into mouth.

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Who's the giving partner and who's the receiving partner?
It's a bit confusing who's who when using these terms (the mind automatically connects the "giving" to the person with the penis - or at least *my* mind does). It would be good if we could find alternative ways to refer to the person giving the deepthroat, and the person receiving it.


 * I agree: see, below. Peter Chastain   [¡hablá!]  17:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Bruno? Eloise?
"Bruno's sexual partner (Eloise)" What the hell is that supposed to mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.114.143.36 (talk) 18:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Giving/receiving
It appears as giving vs receiving is defined in the article, but later sections seem to reverse the definitions. Someone should edit it for consistency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.202.192 (talk) 23:25, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Ditto. This aspect is very confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.94.105.14 (talk) 02:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


 * In my current edit, I have attempted to fix this by reversing the definitions back to receptive and insertive, while also eliminating a lot of the redundant references to partner, using unambiguous anatomical references instead. Peter Chastain   [¡hablá!]  17:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I have just noticed the Fellatio article and the fact that it also uses the giving/receiving terminology, as it was here before my edits. Unless the two articles are merged, as suggested in, below, we should make the terminology consistent. Peter Chastain   [¡hablá!]  23:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Taboo and health risks
Because this is a taboo topic, it is difficult to find sources for. I added a section called safety because it is an extreme act and people should be aware of the risks of its use. Feel free to contribute on this topic. My source of experience is personal, although I can not reference myself or my partner without risking our well being in public. AKA TABOO. (Babakazooy (talk) 04:26, 1 June 2014 (UTC))


 * , I reverted you mainly because of the Identifying reliable sources (medicine) (WP:MEDRS) guideline. Another valid reason for having reverted you is that Wikipedia article content should not be based on the personal experience of its editors; this is per the WP:Verifiability policy (which also covers the WP:Reliable sources guideline). If something can hardly be reliably sourced or can't be reliably sourced at all, then there is hardly any point of adding a Template:Citation needed tag for it. In the case of something that can't be reliably sourced at all, the Template:Citation needed tag is not needed at all, since there is no reliable source that can support the text. As for there not being any reliable sources to support the health risks of deep-throating because deep-throating is taboo, there are a lot of taboo sexual acts, including fisting, that are able to have their health risks reliably sourced. I suggest you look on Google Books and Google Scholar for reliable sources supporting the health risks of deep-throating.


 * On a side note: I moved your section to the bottom because, per Talk page guidelines, new discussions go at the bottom of the talk page. I also altered the heading of this section with "and health risks" so that it is clearer as to what this section is about; it will also help identifying the section once it is archived. Flyer22 (talk) 06:06, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the input, I am new. I will consider what you have said in the future. Thank you for responding in a straight forward manner. (Babakazooy (talk) 23:09, 1 June 2014 (UTC))

"A normal person"
Vranak, regarding this wording, I think that the previous wording is better and more accurate. Your wording implies that people who can deep-throat are abnormal. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah I hear ya honey but that's exactly what the original writer was trying to convey. Basically they are telling the audience "If you can't deepthroat, don't feel bad, because a lot of people have trouble with their gag reflex." My edit was simply trying to make that point more front-and-center rather than subtly implied. But if you prefer it how it originally was, that's fine with me. Either way. Vranak (talk) 08:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Nah, I don't think that the original writer was talking about who is or is not a normal person. This edit you made is better. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:10, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * But re-adding "most people" would be clearer. My point regarding "a normal person" is that there are many things people can do that most people cannot, but this does not make the minority abnormal people. An ability to do something may be considered atypical or abnormal, but it does not mean that the person with the ability is abnormal. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:16, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * As you may have noticed from the edit log, I gave it some thought and realized that yeah, that word 'normal' should just be cut out altogether, and we don't even need any adjectives, just 'person' will do nicely. Cheers Flyer, I really like having productive discussions with people I recognize from before, people whose work I admire. It's good stuff. Take it easy. Vranak (talk) 10:11, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Reason for separate article?
This has probably been discussed before, but why is this a separate article and not just part of the fellatio article? Trivialist (talk) 02:16, 30 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I would favor merging the two articles (by creating a deep-throating section there), or at least making the giving/receiving terminology consistent between the two. Peter Chastain   [¡hablá!]  23:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal
(Discussion will be at Talk:Fellatio, not here.)

An article that you have been involved in editing—Deep-throating—has been proposed for merging with the article Fellatio. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Peter Chastain  [¡hablá!]  02:51, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Result of merger proposal seen here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)